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    I haven't heard much by Saga, I had just one album in the late 80s on CD and it definitely didn't sound like prog rock or neo to me. But metal, goth, synth, EBM are my main areas, so what do I know, just an impartial listener hearing something that wasn't as interesting as Toto, Foreigner, Genesis or Simple Minds.

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    ^ I would never have guessed that you are into Goth music with a username like that.

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    I've been a Saga fan since the late 70's, started collecting their albums in vinyl like: Saga, Images at twilight, In Transit, Detours Live, Behavior, Wildest Dreams...and kept following them through the 80's and 90's including lesser memorable releases like A Beginners Guide to throwing shapes, The Security of Illusion, Generation 13, Steel Umbrellas.

    But the two albums that REALLY stood out for me were Worlds Apart and Heads or Tails that cemented Saga as a great Live band. Lucky for me I saw the Head or tails Tour in Montreal (February 1984) when it was broadcast and taped for Much Music TV and what a show that was! It's the one with the lighting white squares grid backdrop, great sound and set list.

    I did continue following them in the 2000's with House of cards, Full Circle, Marathon, 20/20, Trust, 10000 Days and was very pleased that finally the Chapters came together in the Chapters Live. Human Condition was a huge miss, I passed on it.

    Now after so many years, I got the chance to finally meet Michael Sadler at Progstock 2018 in Rahway, NJ. Such a nice guy and very delightful family man; my favorite at that show was "Pitchman" performed brilliantly by Michael and featuring Doug Ott, Ed Platt, Jimmy Keagan and Bill Jenkins all fantastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajaz View Post
    Human Condition was a huge miss, I passed on it.
    I'd put the song "Avalon" on that record in their top five in the past 20 years. Human Condition showed me Sadler wasn't critical in the later years. A much better album than 20/20 or Sagacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajaz View Post
    Human Condition was a huge miss, I passed on it.
    If you passed on it, how do you know it was a huge miss?

    I loved Human Condition myself, and thought it had some really great tunes on it. It's also one of their most "muscular" sounding records, in terms of the music at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    I'd put the song "Avalon" on that record in their top five in the past 20 years. Human Condition showed me Sadler wasn't critical in the later years. A much better album than 20/20 or Sagacity.
    Totally disagree, well that is a damn good song, but as much as I think Rob Moratti is a great singer, his presence gave Saga a different sound, more pop I guess.
    I do agree about 20/20 and Sagacity, although we listened to Sagacity on vinyl not long ago, and it's the best I've heard it sound, very good mix and production.
    There is a lot on Trust and 10,000 Days I like, but after Michael Sadler left I don't think they ever recaptured the Saga magic on record they once had. But as far as a live band they continue to kick arse and I think still one of the better touring bands along with Marillion who give everything they've got when playing live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    If you passed on it, how do you know it was a huge miss?

    I loved Human Condition myself, and thought it had some really great tunes on it. It's also one of their most "muscular" sounding records, in terms of the music at least.
    Because I heard it from a friend who I borrowed it from, maybe you did like it but it's not my cup of tea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    I'd put the song "Avalon" on that record in their top five in the past 20 years. Human Condition showed me Sadler wasn't critical in the later years. A much better album than 20/20 or Sagacity.
    I never made it through that much of The Human Condition, but I just listened to Avalon on YT. Some of it is ok, but to me it seems like if Nik Kershaw took over vocals from Geddy Lee for one of their 80s albums, and maybe keyboards as well. Just not right. But I don't fault the band for carrying on while Sadler was trying his solo thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I never made it through that much of The Human Condition, but I just listened to Avalon on YT. Some of it is ok, but to me it seems like if Nik Kershaw took over vocals from Geddy Lee for one of their 80s albums, and maybe keyboards as well. Just not right. But I don't fault the band for carrying on while Sadler was trying his solo thing.
    It's a different sound but the songs rock. 20/20 and Sagecity are mostly bland, although a couple of good tracks on the latter. I thought Sadler left for family issues not because he wanted a solo album. I wonder why someone wants to solo that late in a career, although maybe for the simple reason that they always wanted to do one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rajaz View Post
    Because I heard it from a friend who I borrowed it from, maybe you did like it but it's not my cup of tea.
    Oh, I just didn't understand what you meant before. No biggie.

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    Sagacity definitely is not "bland."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Sagacity definitely is not "bland."
    I agree. The sonics might not be great on the CD, but it has some pretty darn interesting songs on it IMO.

    Let It Slide, and Don't Forget To Breathe are pretty great.

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