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    Well, it is a story. Not a particularly enlightening or uplifting story. But it is a coherent story, which is more than I can say about a lot of double-album concept pieces.

    However, it is sound advise to not listen to music you don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Which is why you have the choice to not listen to it.

    Exactly. And why I made the truncated version that I do like.

    And just in case you forgot, I made my statements in response to someone who said that he didn't understand the desire to do so. So I gave the explanation.

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    Just for fun though, play The Wall starting from the 2nd disc (side 3) to the 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    Exactly. And why I made the truncated version that I do like.

    And just in case you forgot, I made my statements in response to someone who said that he didn't understand the desire to do so. So I gave the explanation.
    Sure thing. It just seemed that you're so passionate about how much it "sucks" that it might be best to avoid it altogether instead of bastardizing it into something it isn't. Of course, that's your right too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    Because sometimes you want to hear favorite songs on a double album, not the entire 81 minutes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    Because the story sucks, as do at least half of the songs. I don't care what it was "intended" for, I care about how good it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad View Post
    Because some of it is shite?
    Eloquent responses all...for not listening to the whole album (or any of it if that's your opinion). My point was that the album was conceived as a whole piece (rather than a collection of songs), so it doesn't really make sense to drop half the songs and still call it The Wall, which I think is a lot of what this thread is about (not sure specifically about the people I've quoted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    Just for fun though, play The Wall starting from the 2nd disc (side 3) to the 1st.
    Yeah I read about that years ago along with playing the album in that sequence to some movie I forget which and it was suppose to have a similar effect as DSOTM and Wizard of Oz..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie B View Post
    Eloquent responses all...for not listening to the whole album (or any of it if that's your opinion). My point was that the album was conceived as a whole piece (rather than a collection of songs), so it doesn't really make sense to drop half the songs and still call it The Wall, which I think is a lot of what this thread is about (not sure specifically about the people I've quoted).
    I certainly get your argument, and that works great unless there are a bunch of tracks you like and a bunch you are meh to hate on. As a personal preference I choose not to listen to the stuff I don't like.
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    It's been so long since I played it that I've forgotten... do all the pieces (except for flipping the records over) segue into one another?
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER View Post
    It's been so long since I played it that I've forgotten... do all the pieces (except for flipping the records over) segue into one another?
    Well, there's sound effects linking some of the songs, but there's quite a few that don't segue directly into the next song. I would describe The Happiest Days Of Our Lives/Another Brick In The Wall to be a segue, for instance. By contrast, In The Flesh? and The Thin Ice has that bit of the baby crying linking the two songs. Young Lust has a cold ending, before we hear the pedal tone that starts off One Of My Turns, with I think the last bit of the telephone conversation in between (for what it's worth, I believe it's been said that was an actual phone call, Bob or Roger placed an actual transatlantic phone call to get that bit, and they had to do it twice, because the first time, the operator didn't give the kind of spontaneous response they were looking for...I wonder if that operator ever found out she ended up on a Pink Floyd record).

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    thanx for that summary bro... obviously one would have to fade out on the segue if they were to cut a song that was attached
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    Well, it is a story. Not a particularly enlightening or uplifting story. But it is a coherent story, which is more than I can say about a lot of double-album concept pieces.
    indeed... it certainly beats Tommy or The Lamb's storylines (though Tommy's is fairly simple to understand) or TFTO's unintelligible non-concept
    of 70's concept double albums, I'd say I prefer Quadrophenia over The Wall, but nothing will ever beat "The Mother Of All Concept albums" , which is a single disc.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3LockBox View Post
    Just for fun though, play The Wall starting from the 2nd disc (side 3) to the 1st.
    Haven't done that with The Wall, but back then I tried listening to The Lamb's second disc alone or even side 4 alone to see if maybe I was weary or overdosed by the time Side 4 happened to come by, but to no avail: except for Slipperman, I find side 4 utterly boring and almost pointless (even in the so called storyline).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartellb View Post
    Half of that is the greatest hits radio version. 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11 are the ones I skipped when I used to listen to the album. They are are good songs but they were killed by radio overplay. I played everything on the album except those.
    Yup, outside of Young Lust (which I surprisingly didn't hear on the radio nearly as much as I would've expected >> probably due to its title), the only one I would still gladly hear from those "hits" is Hey You... the others have been ruined by over-exposure


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    It wasn't until the mid-late '80's when I really dug into this as I was at the time a raging metalhead. All the weed I was smoking at the time just wasn't being utilized correctly with Maiden and Metallica Anyway, me and my 'buds' would spend many hours listening to this in basements and around campfires. Great fun and memories! Played it so often that there really isn't any song from it that I'd ever intentionally listen to again filler or non-filler.
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    I bought my vinyl from a friend who needed the money. I've played it maybe two. Coversely, I also bought the first bootleg ever to show up from one of the Nassau Coliseum shows and listened to that more than anything.
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    So after multiple delays due to visa issues, I finally saw The Wall Extravaganza in Boston a couple of days ago. Must say, I quite enjoyed it. I'm glad I re-listened to the album as a refresher, and the band played the album very faithfully and I thought put on a good show. There were a couple of things I might have done differently from a staging point of view, but musically and sonically it was truly excellent.

    One thing I liked was hearing this music played live by a basic rock band (2 guitars, bass, drums, keys, vox and two female backing vocalists). The music definitely had a harder edge than the album, and while they had a lot of ambient effects like the album (TVs in the background, the phone ringing, etc.) that was not as prominent and the music spoke better for itself. For me, the weak moments on the album were the weak moments in the show. Vera/BtBBH still seems out of place to me, overly maudlin, and poorly placed after Nobody Home in terms of pacing. I also got a distinct "Rocky Horror Picture Show" vibe from Show Must Go On and Waiting for the Worms. OK for a rock opera, I guess, but not especially "Floyd-like."

    Still, my estimation of this work has only increased after re-listening to the album and seeing this show. Despite some stumbles, it's one of the more cohesive rock operas, and there really is a lot of fabulous music here, though it is a major departure for Pink Floyd and I can see long-time fans of their other stuff not liking this as much. If there's filler, it seems pretty minimal to me and despite not liking a few songs, there's relatively little I'd change.

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    Roger Waters turned 80 yesterday! To celebrate, I translated my The Wall review (which, incidentally, I'm quite happy with!) into English. I hope it's of some use to some of you.

    https://pienemmatpurot.com/review-pi...the-wall-1979/

    Warning: it's a long one!
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    I don't know how you find the time to write all of these multiple and huge reviews. I liked it but I'm not a big fan of The Wall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vic333 View Post
    Warner Bros successfully edited Der Ring des Nibelungen down to 6 minutes.
    That beats Anna Russell, who managed to reduce it to under 22 minutes.
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    I have to be honest, for me most of it is filler. Mostly musically weak and painful to listen to apart from some of the classic tracks. Maybe I'm not a real PF fan though because the only Floyd albums I still love are DSOTM, WYWH, AMLOR & TDB so its just my opinion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve983 View Post
    I have to be honest, for me most of it is filler. Mostly musically weak and painful to listen to apart from some of the classic tracks. Maybe I'm not a real PF fan though because the only Floyd albums I still love are DSOTM, WYWH, AMLOR & TDB so its just my opinion..
    As always, these are all about individual preferences. For example, I think A Momentary Lapse Of Reason is just as long filler as the whole album!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve983 View Post
    I have to be honest, for me most of it is filler. Mostly musically weak and painful to listen to apart from some of the classic tracks. Maybe I'm not a real PF fan though because the only Floyd albums I still love are DSOTM, WYWH, AMLOR & TDB so its just my opinion..
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    Isn't the filler the cement that holds the wall together?

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    Great guitar playing, great orchestration from Kamen, but music that does little for me, and lyrics that just jar, now that I know what a hypocrite Waters is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Holm-Lupo View Post
    Great guitar playing, great orchestration from Kamen, but music that does little for me, and lyrics that just jar, now that I know what a hypocrite Waters is.
    I think Waters is staying true to himself.
    He maybe inconsistent in his POV (like the fox hunting shit) and have contradictions, but he's certainly not a hypocrit.

    I think there are a few fillers (between Hey You & Numb on side 3, for ex) & lengths in there and of course The Wall has been overplayed ad nauseam, which can make some dislike it.



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