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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryLI View Post
    Downloaded the Yes Tribute thingie this morning, listening now, sounds good, I'm liking it more than Billy's CS Tribute, both very enjoyable if you're a Yes fan, the arrangements and some tempos are different which helps. Props for the vocal performances, a nice selection of artists doing very good jobs, big ups Mr Kerzner.
    Thanks Barry! Appreciate that and glad you like it! There's another thread on here now for the Yesterday and Today tribute discussion if you want to share your thoughts there on topic. Curious what you'll think of the new In Continuum music here though as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squids View Post
    No it wasn't you Barry. There was another person posting a suspicious link who was posing as Henry (the awesome Yes blogger). That post seems to be removed which is probably good as that was a little weird. Plus I think that person was new and only had a few posts to their name. No worries!
    That person posted the same post in 2 completely unrelated threads besides this one. I didn't click the link, so I didn't pick up on the spam aspect, but I noticed the Henry undersign and it did raise an eyebrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    That person posted the same post in 2 completely unrelated threads besides this one. I didn't click the link, so I didn't pick up on the spam aspect, but I noticed the Henry undersign and it did raise an eyebrow.
    Yeah me too. I thought it was Henry having trouble logging in or something! haha. But, then a mod pointed out that the URL was suspicious and then POOOF it was gone. There's only one Henry.

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    Just received Jon Davison's vocals for the song I co-wrote with Jon Anderson! It sounds awesome! This is for the second volume CD coming out in February around Cruise To The Edge time (hopefully in time to have on the boat when we perform and likely Jon D will be guesting with us). He sings misc parts on the rest of the album this is him on lead vocals the whole way through and because Jon Anderson wrote the melody it's VERY close to the edge of sounding like Yes. But, the music is more like if Vangelis was in Porcupine Tree. A truly odd but beautiful combination. A powerful one as well. Can't wait to unleash that one! Ironically, I have to track Marco Minnemann (from Steven Wilson's Raven/Hand-era band) and John Wesley (live guitarist of Porcupine Tree) and/or Randy McStine (not a lot of guitar in this but some very crunchy almost orchestral stabs and riffs). I guess I'm the "Vangelis" part in the mix of styles (ie. the symphonic keyboardist to accompany the ethereal vocalist, the heavy hitting drummer and hard rock guitarist). Matt Dorsey, my bandmate from Sound of Contact will add his bass and there's already orchestral strings as well from Kaitlin Wolfberg. This one turned out way better than I thought. We almost did this song on "Dimensionaut". But, it never would have sounded like this. Almost like a futuristic Yes. Really trippy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squids View Post
    Just out of curiosity, I'd love to know how you or anyone else feels about those 10 things. Honest opinions, whether it's positive or negative on any of them would be great (I'm 100% solid on every one of those 10 things for myself so I know how I feel about them and that's all I can go by when I do something... I'm very proud of all of it and stand by it all! Except, of course, it's subjective so to each their own!). But, when someone says "I wasn't excited about this band" and it's the type of "super group" of known quantities going in... I really do love to know why.
    Many of those things would peak my interest, but I'd want to know more. For example, Steve Hackett's name being associated with a project is promising... but I'm not going to get that excited by a cameo. There are a lot of projects Hackett guests on! So, with any name, I want to know do they just briefly guest on the album, or do they perform on all or most of it. If the latter, are they performing someone else's music or are they part of the creative vision, with co-writing credits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    Many of those things would peak my interest, but I'd want to know more. For example, Steve Hackett's name being associated with a project is promising... but I'm not going to get that excited by a cameo. There are a lot of projects Hackett guests on! So, with any name, I want to know do they just briefly guest on the album, or do they perform on all or most of it. If the latter, are they performing someone else's music or are they part of the creative vision, with co-writing credits?

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    I can't speak for anyone else's projects but for my own, I tend to work with someone like Steve in a very "a la carte" cameo type situation. That's because he's busy and he's doing me a favor by even taking the time out to do a session for me. That said, he's ALWAYS very creative with it and makes it his own. A guitar solo isn't part of the main songwriting usually but he does come up with his own solo (he's not reading a chart or copying something already laid out for him). It's also different every time. Have a listen for yourself:

    Here's Steve Hackett guesting on the song "Stranded" from my album "New World":



    Here's Steve guesting on the song "Dirty Soap Box" from my album "Static":



    and here's Steve guesting on the new In Continuum album on a song called "Crash Landing":



    I think it's easy to know if you like it or not just by listening to it. But, if you'll only like it if he plays on the whole album or co-writes the songs then I can't help you there. Go buy his solo albums where he does that. My albums tend to be a core band with various special guests to give it different flavors that suit the song and/or concept album. In the case of Jon Davison (who also sings on "Crash Landing", backing vocals at least) he sings on more than 5 songs so there's more going on there because of the character he plays in the story. I didn't co-write the track he sings lead on but I co-wrote it with Jon Anderson ironically. Jon Davison and I have talked about co-writing together and doing more (whether it's with/for IC or not I don't know yet).

    Anyway, it's always a balance of who's available for what and then what the song actually needs. I don't do these things just for the gimmick of it. The casting has thought behind it creatively and also pragmatically within the tight budget of an Indy Prog album as well (no choice on that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squids View Post
    I can't speak for anyone else's projects but for my own, I tend to work with someone like Steve in a very "a la carte" cameo type situation.
    Steve fits in nicely with what you're doing. Because you have more of an atmospheric sound (than, say, a technical math-rock sound) he can alternately run around the fretboard or play in his signature languid style and it all fits like a perfect puzzle piece. That definitely showed on "Stranded" - the chords were menacing enough but he had a sharp "tang" to it that gave it an additional immediacy that makes that part of the song work.
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    Here's something new to listen to. This is one of the songs I co-wrote with Jon Anderson. Jon Davison, current singer for Yes, sings the main part along with me, Gabriel Agudo and Leticia Wolf. It's on my Sound Cloud and it's called "Meant To Be".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squids View Post
    Here's something new to listen to. This is one of the songs I co-wrote with Jon Anderson. Jon Davison, current singer for Yes, sings the main part along with me, Gabriel Agudo and Leticia Wolf. It's on my Sound Cloud and it's called "Meant To Be".
    Did anyone click the link? What do you think? You like it? https://soundcloud.com/davekerznerba...YrswtzPb5Pe4v4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squids View Post
    Did anyone click the link? What do you think? You like it?
    Actually I listened from the link a couple of days ago on the private group FB page.
    I think it's wonderful, and as noted by your title, the dream sequence seems as though it would fit perfectly in the context between songs or within your concept.
    By itself, I don't think people would understand since it's not a traditional song structure but as a sequence it's wonderful.
    I can't wait to get my hands on the album and hear it as a dream sequence between songs.

    I was on the fence about JOn with his initial involvement with Yes, but by the time Topographic/Drama came out I was really starting to enjoy his input with Yes, and now after seeing them live earlier this year, I'm definitely a fan.
    I am looking forward to someday hearing him do material outside of the Yes genre because I think he's very talented and would like to hear what Jon D sounds like singing Jon D.
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    Listening now to the digital download accompanying the CD purchase. Its great stuff and Id highly recommend it.

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    I’ve looked at bandcamp and can’t find a CD version to purchase.....am I missing it?
    So much music....so little time....

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    Thanks....but steep price for just one CD! Why so high?
    So much music....so little time....

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    ^ I would guess economics: it's difficult to make money from releases these days, and CD sales are well down. The CD thus has to become a premium product...?

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    Hey Squids, how about a vinyl release of this album? I have Dimensionaut on vinyl, would buy IC LP in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerhard View Post
    Hey Squids, how about a vinyl release of this album? I have Dimensionaut on vinyl, would buy IC LP in a heartbeat.
    Dimensionaut was released on vinyl?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondegezou View Post
    ^ I would guess economics: it's difficult to make money from releases these days, and CD sales are well down. The CD thus has to become a premium product...?

    Henry
    I buy over 100 cd’s a year....none cost this much.....if an artist wants to sell more, a reasonable price would help....
    So much music....so little time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatliner View Post
    I buy over 100 cd’s a year....none cost this much.....
    I am increasingly finding that some CDs, perhaps with smaller print runs or smaller distribution, do cost this sort of price. That was the case with John Greaves' Life Size, the most recent CD I got (and it's well worth the price, great album).

    Quote Originally Posted by flatliner View Post
    I buy over 100 cd’s a year....none cost this much.....if an artist wants to sell more, a reasonable price would help....
    I have no idea what Squids' plans are and I presume he'll probably turn up himself to reply soon enough.

    On the general point, if, say, 5000 people will pay price X, but 6000 people will pay price 2X/3, then you will sell fewer copies but make more money at the former price point. A lot of prog is going the route of big, expensive releases -- or at least big, expensive versions with bells and whistles added compared to a regular version. Increasingly, the regular version is not the CD, but the download. Often the expensive version is vinyl, so people who want vinyl subsidise everyone else. (As I think people who want to buy vinyl are bonkers, I like this arrangement.)

    In the US, CD sales are about a third of what they were a decade ago. This has an impact. I have no idea why this particular album has this particular price, but I am not surprised that CD buying is becoming a bit more expensive in general.

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    Dave is an independent artist with no financial support from a major record company. He finances these recordings, cd's and dvd's through fan supported funding.
    I'm sure there is a formula people use to factor in production and distribution costs with a percentage going to, god forbid profit for the artist.
    As Henry commented, fees charged for manufacturing cd's are done in lots, and the more you order, the less the fee is.

    If you take a major music act, Amazon most likely orders more copies and then can charge less. It's like WalMart does by ordering products in large amounts, they negotiate a better price and can sell them for less.
    Artists like Dave Kerzner or Glass Hammer have smaller orders so it costs more.
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    Wondering if there are any plans for a tour, even a brief one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wah3 View Post
    Wondering if there are any plans for a tour, even a brief one?
    I know they will be playing Night of the Prog atLoreley this year, but no plans for US dates other than Cruise to the edge coming up in a couple of weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Dave is an independent artist with no financial support from a major record company. He finances these recordings, cd's and dvd's through fan supported funding.
    I'm sure there is a formula people use to factor in production and distribution costs with a percentage going to, god forbid profit for the artist.

    As Henry commented, fees charged for manufacturing cd's are done in lots, and the more you order, the less the fee is.

    If you take a major music act, Amazon most likely orders more copies and then can charge less. It's like WalMart does by ordering products in large amounts, they negotiate a better price and can sell them for less.
    Artists like Dave Kerzner or Glass Hammer have smaller orders so it costs more.
    I understand independent artists and the costs involved, but Glass Hammer CD’S cost me around $13.99 at the most. And I ordered the latest cd by I Am The Manic Whale last year, directly from the band thru their bandcamp page. It was $15.99 plus shipping. (Great album BTW). so that’s why I don’t understand the pricing. I have all of Dave’s releases on CD and will end up getting this as well....I’m just shocked at the price.
    So much music....so little time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatliner View Post
    I understand independent artists and the costs involved, but Glass Hammer CD’S cost me around $13.99 at the most. And I ordered the latest cd by I Am The Manic Whale last year, directly from the band thru their bandcamp page. It was $15.99 plus shipping. (Great album BTW). so that’s why I don’t understand the pricing. I have all of Dave’s releases on CD and will end up getting this as well....I’m just shocked at the price.
    Different acts in different situations make different choices. They'll have different costs, they'll be making their money from a different range of outputs. There's no reason they all have to converge on the same price point.

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    BTW, Henry....I’ve been following your Yes blog site for years! Fantastic job! Thank you!
    So much music....so little time....

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