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Thread: Poll: Bill Bruford's Solo on Perpetual Change-Yessongs. Great/Not Great?

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    "Drum solos are boring!" -- Keith Moon
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    I can't remember it, but I know I never really liked it.

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    One of the very few drum solos I enjoy listening to. A good example of his preference for working round the snare and that cutting sound he gets from it that many people mention in Yes books. The way they come out of it back into the main Perpetual Change riff is very powerful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    I can't remember it, but I know I never really liked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    their "America" rendition is not about improvisation, but carefully arranged (and partly spliced) guitars-vs--rhythm-section passages (and I love that one!);
    I wouldn't say that it's "about" improvisation, but I would suspect that there is quite a bit of it in there and finding any two versions that sound the same would prove difficult.

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    I wouldn't say that it's "about" improvisation, but I would suspect that there is quite a bit of it in there and finding any two versions that sound the same would prove difficult.
    If you're talking about Howe's solo, then that's correct of course. I was thinking more in line with the ground arrangement of those instrumental parts in which he performs it. He was also known for planning his solos or often reproducing studio solos live, although never as strict as, say, Gilmour or Hackett.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    If you're talking about Howe's solo, then that's correct of course. I was thinking more in line with the ground arrangement of those instrumental parts in which he performs it. He was also known for planning his solos or often reproducing studio solos live, although never as strict as, say, Gilmour or Hackett.
    Howe has been known to complain that some solos (he specifically mentioned "All Good People") have become such an integral part of the song that he CAN'T really improvise in those spaces anymore; the audience would think it sounds "wrong". And he's right - a lot of solos were so idiosyncratic that they became the melody line at that point, and would've sounded wrong had he not played them.

    I'll have to go back and listen to Bruf's solo; I can't really remember it. But as a general rule, I'm against drum solos. Now, if they're played AGAINST some background, they have a context to exist in (like Chicago, playing against a latin percussion background, or Portnoy in the last bit of the Metropolis pt. II Scenes from a Memory album), and they make sense. But by themselves? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikhael View Post
    Howe has been known to complain that some solos (he specifically mentioned "All Good People") have become such an integral part of the song that he CAN'T really improvise in those spaces anymore; the audience would think it sounds "wrong". And he's right - a lot of solos were so idiosyncratic that they became the melody line at that point, and would've sounded wrong had he not played them.
    That may be the case for solos, but he did change the way he played "Wurm" live over the years. It's so different, to my ears at least. Same chords, yes, but different rhythms, strumming etc.... to be honest, that's one track I prefer the studio version of. It's been a Yes live favourite for 40+ years now but I never liked the way they changed it. For one thing, Wakeman's solo should never have come first! The whole piece is building towards the climax when Howe's solo finally explodes. I know they must be so bored with it by now and obviously because it has so much room for stretching out and jamming a bit in a live setting, they take advantage of it. I don't blame them, I just don't like that track live the way I used to. On The Yes Album, though, it's a killer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffCarney View Post
    Finally.

    Now 16-1 if my count is correct.
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