Peter Gabriel is a fan of Nina Simone, so applying PE's 37 degrees of separation principle, inducting Nina Simone puts one more "Prog" artist in the Rock Hall. <And the crowd goes wild>Originally Posted by Dan Marsh
Peter Gabriel is a fan of Nina Simone, so applying PE's 37 degrees of separation principle, inducting Nina Simone puts one more "Prog" artist in the Rock Hall. <And the crowd goes wild>
I think it would be very similar to when ELO was inducted last year when only Jeff Lynne showed up. And also if Jethro Tull would ever be inducted.
As far as Crimson alumni is concerned, good thing for Bruford who is already in with Yes but it is a crying shame that extraordinary veteran musicians like Greg Lake, John Wetton, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew to name a few have not yet been honored for their amazing contributions to not only Prog but rock in general. But like there is country music awards, there is the PROG awards!
Springsteen has gravitas?
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Not here, but certainly everywhere else.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
And is it my imagination or did someone back in the 80s or 90s have a comedy act that included this parody of "Fire":
Late last night I was smokin' in my bed
Lit a match and put it to my head.
Oh, I'm a stupid guy.
Wo-oh-oh, I'm on fire.
I thought it was an Adam Sandler thing but can find no evidence on the mighty Intertubes.
I'm holding out for the Wilson-mixed 5.1 super-duper walletbuster special anniversary extra adjectives edition.
The Zombies and the MC5 wuz robbed! Bon Jovi?! This is just willful perversity at this point....
Hell, they ain't even old-timey ! - Homer Stokes
First of all, Quiet Riot was ahead of both of them. And it's glam metal we're talking about, not hair metal. But the point is still sound. Personally, I like the first two Bon Jovi albums, there's some good songs on them. But no way would I put them ahead of Thin Lizzy, Uriah Heep, or any of a number of other bands yet to be honored.
Neither of whom had anywhere near Bon Jovi's success in the U.S. or longevity.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Uriah Heep has very long longevity. They’ve been going on since 1970 until today, even regularly making new albums and touring based on them. Sure, David Byron is long dead, and Ken Hensley is long gone, but the band has continued with Mick Box and has maintained a loyal fan base.
Bands like Thin Lizzy and Uriah Heep are marginal bands for the purposes of HOF induction. Won't get in. And there are a whole slew of those 80s hair metal cheese bands which are a joke. If they start inducting crapola like Whitesnake and their ilk into the Hall, it will drown what is already a very watered down HOF.
Okay, but nowhere near the scale of Bon Jovi, which was the point I was trying to make.
Correct.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Put it this way: Given the Bon Jovi/Derek Shulman connection, it's probably the closest we'll get to Gentle Giant in the RRHOF.
What's the connection? Did Shulman produce something of BJ?
Shulman discovered Bon Jovi, helped put the band together, arranged initial sessions and signed him to Polygram-- To some extent his success with Bon Jovi was instrumental in building Shulman's A&R career. There's talk that he may have ghost-cowritten some of the early songs but that's speculation. No doubt however that Shulman will get name checked at the RRHOF when Bon Jovi gets in.
Totally agree re TL and UH... . and 99.9% of those hair metal bands are a joke. However, they shouldnt be done with metal altogether. Priest and Maiden are well deserving of induction and will get in.
Wow, did not know that.
I make a distinction between metal and most of what dominated MTV in the 80s, ie the cheesy hair metal stuff and that includes Mötley Crüe. Iron Maiden I agree deserves to be in. Not a Judas Priest fan. Someone earlier mentioned Motörhead, I thought they got in a few years ago?
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I suspect that, now that some of the more mainstream and prog-oriented acts have made it, that the Hall will finally address these glaring omissions.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
I'm a big fan of 70s Heep but I don't think they will get in. No strong media presence, though they were an important group.
I think in recent years some of the most egregrious omissions have been addressed. But a few remain- The Zombies, Kate Bush (at least one of those should have gone in this year), Roxy Music, the aforementioned metal groups.
As for hair or glam metal, I don't see the point, and certainly not at the moment. I don't mind some of the earlier bands in moderation- 'Crue, Twisted Sister, Ratt, and the later Cinderella- but really I think Kiss and Van Halen covered that ground anyway and both are (rightly) in.
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They just did with BJ
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-a...re-happy-hour/
Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
They should expand the amount of inductees for each year. There's a huge backlog of worthy acts from the 70s/80s.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
Shulman had a big hand in the whole 80's glam/hair metal band era. He was even featured in the Metal Evolution show on glam metal, as he was one of the key A&R guys who made that whole thing happen.
Which only proves my point about how stupid this whole situation is, that somehow Bon Jovi isn't "marginal" but Heep and Lizzy are. THe most important thing, as far as I'm concerned, is the music, and in that arena, Thin Lizzy and Uriah Heep knock Bon Jovi in the dirt. I don't care who sold the most records Stateside, or who sold out Giants Stadium five nights in a row in 1987 or whatever.
And if record sales and such are so frelling important, than how did Velvet Underground get in? If VU gets in on the basis of "influence" than why not Heep and Lizzy?! I don't know how many hard rock and metals I've seen cite them as influences. There's even one metal band who named themselves after Demons And Wizards.
Hard to believe "Wings" is not in.
Beyond the obvious of having The Beatles great songwriter and performer, they sold plenty of records, toured the world, released a string of top albums through the 70's and showed more versatility than just about any other band I can think of.
Then you really don't understand what a "Hall of Fame" is about.
That's an excellent question. Never made any sense to me.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
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