I doubt it. He lamented the drum sound on that album, which is the cause of why he looks back on it so unhappily.Originally Posted by yesstiles
I doubt it. He lamented the drum sound on that album, which is the cause of why he looks back on it so unhappily.
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If that's the case, it would be *so* easy to replace the drums with state-of-the-art software such as Superior Drummer 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDetUFTq3E
All the more reason to remix and re-release it.
Interesting...I never noticed anything off about the drums on Flower Power. Has anyone else noticed? What is the issue, exactly?
Me neither to be honest. My problem is the heavy compression throughout that's painfully evident on "The Final Deal." Needs a new mastering.
I suggested something similar to Roine years ago, so he's aware of the possibility. Maybe it's just low on his list of priorities since he's focused on new music these days.
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Another song from the album, this one with Casey on vocals. Not a bad song, but not one that is grabbing me instantly.
I've never noticed anything wrong with the production or mix on that album -- unlike The Sum of No Evil. Whoever mixed that record jacked up the treble and then practically brickwalled the compression. It's stark and jarring to my ears - not an ounce of warmth at all.
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I get the same feeling with this one. I thought Roine's playing was very Flower Kings though. I had never heard McPherson before and find him quite similar to Gildenlöw.
Well, this just put a damper on my enthusiasm. What a lame track. Sounds like demo.
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Weird. I think Sum sounds great, while Flower Power sounds quite muddy compared to the albums before and after it. Not terrible by any means and I still love it and wouldn't really care if it was never remixed/remastered. Though, if Roine did decide to do that, I'd definitely get a copy (as long as it wasn't just on vinyl, I have no use for vinyl). If he remixed/remastered Sum, I wouldn't bother getting a copy, as I think the original sounds just fine.
Well, I've got this thing pre-ordered so I'm just going to wait to hear it all at once when I have it. This is why I don't listen to previews/early track releases. I think it can raise or lower expectations unnecessarily. I suspect that in this case, they aren't releasing the best tracks first, hopefully.
Here's a link to the compression readings on all the Flower Kings albums:
http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/li...r+kings&album=
Very odd that the album Roine said was too compressed and he gave a remix-remastering to (Unfold The Future) was the FK album with the most dynamics originally!And the remaster didn't increase the DR numbers at all.
Then there is the fact that not everyone has the same range of hearing or hears the same thing the same way (i.e. Yammy/Laurel). Something has to be pretty lacking in the high end to be "muddy" to my ears which seem quite tuned into the that range. Too much treble sounds like the recorded version of bright white tile with a 100 watt bulb shining on it.
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I love the sound of that LP. Yeah, it's compressed as hell but all the instruments have space and everything is crystal clear - quite a feat with all those vintage instruments they used.
Flower Power, on the other hand, just plain sounds off. Still a great record though!
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0/2 so far for me - but I will definitely listen to the whole enchilada when it comes out.
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It does not need to lack in the high end to be muddy, IMO. It could have too much going on in the low midrange.
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Interview with Roine here: https://lotsofmuzic.weebly.com/home/...the-sea-within
Mostly Sea Within talk - Some Anderson / Stolt as well
Pete Trewavas reports that he'll be joining the band for Night of the Prog, filling in for Jonas, who has another obligation:
I shall be joining the new progressive supergroup The Sea Within, for their debut show at the Night Of The Prog festival Loreley on Saturday 14th July
M y good friends Roine Stolt and Jonas Reingold, asked me a while ago if I would help out, as Jonas is otherwise engaged, so I shall be stepping in to his formidable boots for the evening.
It will be great to catch up with Daniel Gildenlow and Casey McPherson and meeting Tom Brislin and Marco Minnemann and I am very much looking forward to playing with these very talented gentleman for the first airing of their stunning debut album.
I hope to see some familiar faces in the audience if you are around.
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Old news in fact but it's nice to have Pete's take on things.
I'm kinda feeling the same way. These two songs haven't really hooked me, but it's quite possible they will grow on me -- and in the context of the whole record, maybe they will work better.
It's also possible that they haven't released the "best" songs ahead of the main album release. Fingers crossed!
new interview with Marco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN0su8toXGk with some focus on The Sea Within
Interesting tidbit for Flower Kings historians - at the very beginning he says Jonas originally contacted him about 7 years ago to see if he was interested in drumming for The Flower Kings (this would have been right before Banks of Eden recording) He had commitments to The Aristocrats and Steven Wilson at the time so wasn't able.
I think Felix was a perfect fit but it is an interesting what if? Also adds just a little more to the idea that The Sea Within is really TFK 2.0 (with 3 TFK members, an almost member and Tom) or would this be TFK 7.0 with all the changes the band has had over the years. This being the most extreme change.
edit: here is another interview with Marco where he says the same thing. This is a much more interesting interview than the above one. Mostly all Sea Within talk.
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If this is another iteration of The Flower Kings, I maintain that the missing spark is Tomas Bodin's composition and arrangement skills. I've always said that a big part of the TFK sound is Tomas.
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Agreed, Tomas is irreplaceable in that band
Totally agreed. I love Tomas and his contributions to TFK.
Having listened to all of The Sea Within, I really feel that this is a different beast. Roine’s style is still there and it results in similarities to TFK, but there really is a different overall feel and vibe going on. The first song still didn’t really do much for me, but there are some other really cool tunes on this disc. I’m glad to have it.
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