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    Quote Originally Posted by PROGMONSTER View Post
    I reckon Le Orme are a fair bit better than PFM. Better composers. I can only take so much violin in a band also, which PFM use a bit
    IMO

    Definitely NOT better composers.

    Again, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    IMO

    Definitely NOT better composers.

    Again, IMO.
    I value Orme highly, but same opinion here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffCarney View Post
    I value Orme highly, but same opinion here.
    Absolutely agree - PFM are clearly superior at every level - melodies, arrangements, musicianship. Don't get me wrong, I love Le Orme, but but PFM are master musicians. Le Orme are not. No offense, many of my fav bands are not master musicians either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    IMO

    Definitely NOT better composers.

    Again, IMO.
    My sentiments as well, and I love Le Orme.

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    Although I prefer PFM, they both have some pretty magnificent music/melodies/vocals.

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    Le Orme were cool. Fun band. PFM changed melody too often to get into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROGMONSTER View Post
    Le Orme were cool. Fun band. PFM changed melody too often to get into.
    For you, maybe.

    I think PFM and Le Orme were both fun bands, for different reasons. But for my money, Le Orme never made an album that gave me a feeling comparable to what Per Un Amico gave me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aith01 View Post
    For you, maybe.

    I think PFM and Le Orme were both fun bands, for different reasons. But for my money, Le Orme never made an album that gave me a feeling comparable to what Per Un Amico gave me.
    Agreed. I also think, in my opinion, PFM were better composers.

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    PFM were better composers than Le Orme, though they lacked the ability of intergrating those wonderfully disguised popish hook-ups that made the latter's music so elegantly accessible.
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    Le Orme were fantastic at times, but their chosen medium was often somewhat marred by limitations to their instrumental scope (including a few very dodgy arrangments and too many repetitions of ideas) and that one-dimensional and overly fragile singing voice of Tagliapietra's (which was nice in itself but certainly lacking in versatility). Altogether I find both PFM and Banco far more vital and immediate in sound than Le Orme, although the latter could compete with the very best when peaking. Contrappunti is a magnificent album, so genuinely powerful and convincing in its force and delivery.
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    So is there anything in the symphonic genre that can compete with PFM and Banco? Those were the first two that I heard and after listening to dozens of italian bands, I have encountered excellent music but no true equals. I love for example Quella Vecchia Locanda but I wouldn't put them on the same level. Any thoughts on that?

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    IMHO PFM and Banco set the bar pretty damned high...with Di Terra being arguably one of the best literal examples of progressive symphonic music.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    So is there anything in the symphonic genre that can compete with PFM and Banco? Those were the first two that I heard and after listening to dozens of italian bands, I have encountered excellent music but no true equals. I love for example Quella Vecchia Locanda but I wouldn't put them on the same level. Any thoughts on that?
    Thinking specifically of Italy? P.F.M. and Banco come out fairly safe on top as far as Italian symphonic rock concerns (IMHO, of course), though I personally rate albums by Area, Stormy Six, Picchio dal Pozzo, Cervello, Jumbo and a couple of others even higher.

    As for international "symph" progressive, the two come out extremely strong even there. There were other, perhaps more overtly original artists operating in similar terrain, particularly in Eastern Europe (like M. Éfekt, Kornelyans/Korni Grupa et al.) and Québec, but P.F.M. and Banco certainly set their very own standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Thinking specifically of Italy? P.F.M. and Banco come out fairly safe on top as far as Italian symphonic rock concerns (IMHO, of course), though I personally rate albums by Area, Stormy Six, Picchio dal Pozzo, Cervello, Jumbo and a couple of others even higher.
    Great list right there. I'd also add Palepoli, Forse le lucciole non si amano più, Intorno Alla Mia Cattiva Educazione, and a few others as other random Italian gems of my collection. For my money, PFM in their prime wrote some of the greatest Italian prawg, period. "Dove Quando" is a masterpiece itself and sounds like some lost 18th century Italian love song from a remote hill town in Sicily (minus the instrumentation!).

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    PFM in their prime wrote some of the greatest Italian prawg, period. "Dove Quando" is a masterpiece itself and sounds like some lost 18th century Italian love song
    Not only that; although (like I said) I listen even more frequently to L'Isola and this was my first foray into P.F.M., Per Un Amico remains one of the absolutely most consistently solid releases ever in the "symph" rock realm. There's preciously little to be changed, and if it had included "Old Rain" it might have outdone L'Isola for me. If you pick the best from the first three P.F.M. records and stuff it onto a goodol' 60-minute Basf cassette tape, chances are there that it'd just might be the finest thing ever to present what the whole "symph" enigma was all about. Shit, when racing head-on these guys could even R&R!

    I'll be listening to them over Grappa this weekend. I sense that scent already. Not bluesy fruit but juicy flute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Thinking specifically of Italy? P.F.M. and Banco come out fairly safe on top as far as Italian symphonic rock concerns (IMHO, of course), though I personally rate albums by Area, Stormy Six, Picchio dal Pozzo, Cervello, Jumbo and a couple of others even higher.

    As for international "symph" progressive, the two come out extremely strong even there. There were other, perhaps more overtly original artists operating in similar terrain, particularly in Eastern Europe (like M. Éfekt, Kornelyans/Korni Grupa et al.) and Québec, but P.F.M. and Banco certainly set their very own standards.
    Yes, specifically Italy. Yes, specifically symphonic. Yes, I need to revisit Jumbo. Yes, Cervello, I always loved this one, it made me want to go to the woods and sacrifice something to someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zappathustra View Post
    I always loved this one, it made me want to go to the woods and sacrifice something to someone.
    There is no greater love.
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    By the way Cervello will Play a Reunion gig in Japan in July.

    I think at least Corrado Rustici, Gianluigi Di Franco und Antonio Spagnolo are taking part in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheH View Post
    Cervello will Play a Reunion gig in Japan. I think at least Corrado Rustici, Gianluigi Di Franco und Antonio Spagnolo are taking part
    While not really much of a fan of these long-since-gone old oneoffs reforming, this could actually be something - not least seeing how Rustici has been seriously active as a musician all along. Presumably he's heard of the (relative) level of interest in his adolescent band; I know for a fact that Melos has turned more units since its CD-issue in the early 90s than it ever did back on release.

    I love that album.
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    Came to the party late with regard to PFM so the first 4 albums I bought within a few months of each other. Love the first 2 records -like this album a lot.
    Like PFM better than Le Orme or Banco, but enjoy listening to them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Not only that; although (like I said) I listen even more frequently to L'Isola and this was my first foray into P.F.M., Per Un Amico remains one of the absolutely most consistently solid releases ever in the "symph" rock realm.

    I'll be listening to them over Grappa this weekend. I sense that scent already. Not bluesy fruit but juicy flute.
    No complaints from me brother scrote. If I had a pepperoni to my head, Amico is probably my choice for my very favorite Italian prog album.

    Never had grappa, but wouldn't turn it down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taped Rugs View Post
    Any Jet Lag fans out there? I saw PFM on the Jet Lag tour 4X at the Boarding House in SF -- Lenny White was in the audience two nights and joined the group for an encore of Four Holes In The Ground. Hung out a little bit with the group when the "new" violinist, Gregory Bloch, had a birthday party there too. Nights to remember....
    Jet Lag was my intro to the band, and I immediately loved it when I heard it in my late teens, in vinyl.
    It wasn't until decades later that I heard the first three albums, and recognized that they were much more symphonic and classically impacted, and frankly also more Mediterranean, on those first three. Jet Lag is more fusion-influenced. A love all these, though, and Chocolate Kings, too.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    Le Orme were fantastic at times, but their chosen medium was often somewhat marred by limitations to their instrumental scope (including a few very dodgy arrangments and too many repetitions of ideas) and that one-dimensional and overly fragile singing voice of Tagliapietra's (which was nice in itself but certainly lacking in versatility). Altogether I find both PFM and Banco far more vital and immediate in sound than Le Orme, although the latter could compete with the very best when peaking. Contrappunti is a magnificent album, so genuinely powerful and convincing in its force and delivery.
    Although I don't disagree with this, Le Orme's "Florian" is a completely different beast, and very beautiful in it's own way, to my ears.
    "And this is the chorus.....or perhaps it's a bridge...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wideopenears View Post
    Although I don't disagree with this, Le Orme's "Florian" is a completely different beast, and very beautiful in it's own way, to my ears.
    Agreed. I was really surprised when I first heard it. Beautiful.

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