Sgt. Peppers: Is it prog?

[Mister Triscuits]

^ From the looks of that cover I assume you mean S. Clay Wilson.

[ronmac]

Sgt. Pepper, the album, is not prog, IMO. However, "A Day in the Life" certainly is.

Progressive rock was a particular branch of this growth in the rock genre, and it did not exist prior to 1969.

Prog certainly existed prior to 1969. Now, were there any full-fledged prog albums prior to that? Possibly not. But, I can point to The Beatles, Deep Purple and Frank Zappa, if you want to hear prog that came before King Crimson.

[Scrotum Scissor]

^ From the looks of that cover I assume you mean S. Clay Wilson.

Sui Generis was the duo of Charly Garcia and Nito Mestre, the latter a folky pop singer/songwriter, the former an auteur eccentric composer/pianist who'd been admitted into the Buenos Aires music conservatory at nine - to graduate at 12.

This was their final album. It has sold some 1 million copies all over Latin America and on release made an instant icon out of Garcia, who would go on to form La Maquina de Hacer Pajaros and the biggest South-American rock band of all time, Seru Giran.

With the possible exception of one or two titles, I'd lump out any record I have with Gabriel or Collins on them before parting with Sui Generis. Not because they're less known and thus my act gets "contrarian", but due to the fact that the music itself possesses a near-timeles svitality and staying power and generates a sense of cultural historicism which kicks my butt on listening. They truly were the 'Simon & Garfunkel of the 3rd. World'.

[Adm.Kirk]

Sgt. Pepper, the album, is not prog, IMO. However, "A Day in the Life" certainly is.



Prog certainly existed prior to 1969. Now, were there any full-fledged prog albums prior to that? Possibly not. But, I can point to The Beatles, Deep Purple and Frank Zappa, if you want to hear prog that came before King Crimson.

I would also say the Moody Blues, The Nice, Pink Floyd and Procol Harum would be there too, perhaps the Who as well.

[IncogNeato]

It may have pre-dated the term, but how is it NOT prog?

[peterpyser]

its an album. possibly the best one ever released up to that moment by anyone.
it still holds up to its status imho.

[moecurlythanu]

It may have pre-dated the term, but how is it NOT prog?

Which known Prog-Rock "markers" does it exhibit?

[mogrooves]

It's progressive but not Prog per se, imo; definitive psychedelia.

[IncogNeato]

Which known Prog-Rock "markers" does it exhibit?

This:

It's progressive but not Prog per se, imo; definitive psychedelia.

[Sputnik]

It may have pre-dated the term, but how is it NOT prog?

As with all these discussions, it will depend on how an individual defines "P/prog." If Prog to a given listener means complex arrangements informed by classical music, flashy chops, odd time signatures and changing moods within extended length pieces, etc., then it might be easier to see how Sgt. Pepper isn't "Prog." Thus the big P little p discussion on page one and how it can help us understand, though by no means necessarily agree with, different perspectives on this issue, or better understand how Sgt. Pepper might be considered progressive in some ways, but not in all the ways that have been used to describe or define the genre.

its an album. possibly the best one ever released up to that moment by anyone.
it still holds up to its status imho.

I don't think that's under debate.

Bill

[Facelift]

It's progressive but not Prog per se, imo; definitive psychedelia.

Yes.

Much in the way that a band could be comprised of dictionary-definition punks (young, inexperienced musicians with attitude) but not be a part of Punk Rock.

[miamiscot]

It's The Beatles were talking about...

[moecurlythanu]

This:

??? Prog-Rock does not equal Psychedelic. They are 2 different genres.
I've always read the shortened term "Prog" as meaning the genre term "Progressive Rock," not the adjective "progressive." Perhaps I'm wrong in that?

[Fracktured]

All that really matters is whether you like it or not. There's band that people on here call prog that I can't get through more than 10 minutes of and bands that I wouldn't consider prog that I love. Everyone's music tastes are uniquely their own and that's all that really matters.


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[Zeuhlmate]

Oh, Svetonio... where are you to clear this up

[arabicadabra]

Helen Keller is prog, Marlee Matlin did not

[Vic2012]

Oh, Svetonio... where are you to clear this up

[Vic2012]

I would also say the Moody Blues, The Nice, Pink Floyd and Procol Harum would be there too,

I agree. I was gonna mention the Moody Blues.

[Mikhael]

Sgt. Pepper doesn't care.

[Jerjo]

Oh, Svetonio... where are you to clear this up

Complete with videos to prove his point! And then arguing with everyone because he's right and we're wrong.

[yamishogun]

I agree. I was gonna mention the Moody Blues.

My friend told me that he his is writing an app so that you can enter a song or album and get a quick answer to what extent it is prog on a scale of 1 to 100.

[ronmac]

I would also say the Moody Blues, The Nice, Pink Floyd and Procol Harum would be there too, perhaps the Who as well.

I agree. I was gonna mention the Moody Blues.

No doubt. My list was not meant to be complete. I would also add Cream and Hendrix, among several others.

[notallwhowander]

I'm with the camp that says the Sgt. Pepper's really opened the door for prog. To put it another way: if prog is Christian Era, then Sgt. Pepper's is John the Baptist.

(If that clears anything up for anyone...)

[Sputnik]

I'm with the camp that says the Sgt. Pepper's really opened the door for prog. To put it another way: if prog is Christian Era, then Sgt. Pepper's is John the Baptist.

(If that clears anything up for anyone...)

Great analogy, I think that is spot on!

[moecurlythanu]

I don't. I'd give that to Piper At The Gates Of Dawn.