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  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    They're pretty hard to find these days; most keybeds do channel but not polyphonic aftertouch. Apparently that's one of the reasons the Deckard's Dream is only planned for rack format.

    Some of the non-traditional controllers like the Linnstrument and Roli can do it.
    Well just aftertouch would do, doesn't need to be polyphonic. It's just for experimenting. In the end the polyphonic aftertouch would added in Cubase.

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    Ah, gotcha
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  3. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Ah, gotcha
    Yeah, you got me. Found several keyboards with aftertouch and realised polyphonic aftertouch is a bit different, but because the keyboard is mainly ment to hear the effect on the sound, non-polyphonic would at least be a worthwhile option.

  4. #154
    Oh, absolutely. I use channel aftertouch quite often, especially on leads and monophonic sounds. If setup correctly it can be a nice alternate to using the mod wheel to add a bit of vibrato (for example, if playing live I am holding a pad down with one hand and doing a lead with the other, I can still trigger vibrato using aftertouch against the lead).

    One of the other cool "alts" to the mod wheel is the D-beam you find on some Roland/Boss controllers and keyboards. I got the idea at NEARfest while watching Kenso use them during their set, and it can be very cool.

    I like the idea of polyphonic aftertouch, but I also suspect it will require a serious amount of practice/discipline to get it right.
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  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Oh, absolutely. I use channel aftertouch quite often, especially on leads and monophonic sounds. If setup correctly it can be a nice alternate to using the mod wheel to add a bit of vibrato (for example, if playing live I am holding a pad down with one hand and doing a lead with the other, I can still trigger vibrato using aftertouch against the lead).

    One of the other cool "alts" to the mod wheel is the D-beam you find on some Roland/Boss controllers and keyboards. I got the idea at NEARfest while watching Kenso use them during their set, and it can be very cool.

    I like the idea of polyphonic aftertouch, but I also suspect it will require a serious amount of practice/discipline to get it right.
    I think Yamaha also had a breath controller.

    A friend of mine build his own kind of lyricon driver.

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    Doepfer also makes a pretty cool ribbon controller; it is technically designed for a Eurorack system with CV outputs, but it also does MIDI and I use one pretty extensively with my Voyager. It captures both position and pressure and can generate aftertouch-like gestures.

    http://www.doepfer.de/R2M.htm
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    You should! They are very fun /versatile controllers
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    You should! They are very fun /versatile controllers
    Yup...just a matter of time!

    I like seeing the chats (above) about alternate controllers. I enjoy the "D-Beam" and short ribbons on my Handsonic, the long ribbon on my Kurzweil, and Yamaha's original breath controller. I used it with my KX-88 for years and now use it on my DX-7II. (They go for a pretty penny on "E-Beh")

    Standard keyboards are wonderful but it is very liberating to use alternatives.

  10. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by Gizmotron View Post
    Yup...just a matter of time!

    I like seeing the chats (above) about alternate controllers. I enjoy the "D-Beam" and short ribbons on my Handsonic, the long ribbon on my Kurzweil, and Yamaha's original breath controller. I used it with my KX-88 for years and now use it on my DX-7II. (They go for a pretty penny on "E-Beh")

    Standard keyboards are wonderful but it is very liberating to use alternatives.
    I think I prefer keyboards, with some additional possibilities to influence the sound in realtime. But I'm more a composer, than a keyboardplayer, though I have learned to play the piano a little bit. At least I grew up with keyboards.

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    Both definitely have value: I am classically trained so a piano keyboard will always be my "bread and butter." But, I like how the alternate controllers break me out of my comfort zone, forcing me to think about melodies, chords and even rhythms in a different way. The Linnstrument is configured in a manner slightly more akin to a guitar fretboard which means I can create some very different chord voicings, than would be possible with a more "linear" piano.

    It's also part of the thrill with the Eurorack stuff too...the idea of self-generating music. I patch and create a starting point and then the modules begin various feedback loops that constantly create + evolve the idea over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Both definitely have value: I am classically trained so a piano keyboard will always be my "bread and butter." But, I like how the alternate controllers break me out of my comfort zone, forcing me to think about melodies, chords and even rhythms in a different way. The Linnstrument is configured in a manner slightly more akin to a guitar fretboard which means I can create some very different chord voicings, than would be possible with a more "linear" piano.

    It's also part of the thrill with the Eurorack stuff too...the idea of self-generating music. I patch and create a starting point and then the modules begin various feedback loops that constantly create + evolve the idea over time.
    My feelings (and experience) exactly. Well-spoken, Battema.
    That is why I am after the Linnstrument. As well as the obvious coolness, it would help me better understand the fretboards in my life!

    Self-generating music? Yeah boy! I love the concept. Eno's efforts are best known to me. I love the possibilities. The Euro Rack stuff must be fun. I experience some of this through the KARMA elements in my Karma and Kronos. I love how that technology gives me ideas as things percolate and evolve in front of my eyes/ears.

    Technology creates lots of problems for us but the musical part can be so wonderful. Gear is great!

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    The generative music thing is a ton of fun but also skews heavily toward more abstract results. I think I shared this earlier in the thread when GuitarGeek had some questions, but it's worth sharing again and illustrates some interesting possibilities when creating feedback loops between modules, etc...



    It is very, very, VERY easy to lose yourself for an hour or two just patching things to see what happens. It's also very easy to end up having everything turn into a Tangerine Dream 'Phaedra' outtake, lol!
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    I see what you mean. I could easily spend serious time there!

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    Coolest pitch-bender has to be Yamaha’s on the CS80, where any place you initiated contact was “home.” Nord had a neat joystick-like controller with an ergonomic crescent-shaped rest for your finger. Worst would probably be the PPC (proportional pitch control) system ARP used on their later synths. Inexplicably, Korg used the PPC for their “remake” of the Odyssey. My own Odyssey, thankfully, pre-dated the PPC system; unfortunately the pitch-bend knob lacked a center detent, making tuning even more of a headache than it usually is on older analog synths.

    Oh, and earlier when I was talking about my Odyssey’s sliders? I was referring to how they were supposed to look! Most of the colored Chiclet™ slider caps are missing on mine.
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  16. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post

    It's also part of the thrill with the Eurorack stuff too...the idea of self-generating music. I patch and create a starting point and then the modules begin various feedback loops that constantly create + evolve the idea over time.
    Yeah, that's what got me interested in modular synths again, really, listening to STeve Roach's Possible Planet, which was done entirely on a Eurorack synth. I remember reading the liner note swhere he says he used no MIDI, softsynths or keyboards. And I thought, "Wait, what do you mean, 'no keyboards'?!". And I realized that he had apparently done what you're describing, patching the synth so that it almost "plays itself", if you will. And once I started reading Muff Wiggler, I realized there's a lot of people who've followed similar ideas too (the whole "Krell" patch thing seems to be based on the same idea too).

    For awhile, I was doing a lot of recording using a demo version of the Arturia virtual modular (they used to call i the Virtual Moog or whatever, but I guess their license to use the Moog name ended, as they just call it the Modular V or whatever now), where I was patching one envelope to be triggered when another ended, etc. You could set up a patch where all you'd have to do is occasionally tweak a control here or there, but just let it go and play itself.

    For awhile, I was kind of coveting the Buchla Tactile Touch...whatever it's called, they've got this controller that's basically a bunch of touch pads and ribbon controllers. Unfortunately, the damn thing by itself costs two grand, and is designed to be used with Buchla gear (though if you drop enough money, you can interface with, let's say a Eurorack synth, for instance). But as near as I can tell from watching demo videos, it looks like it allows you to operate the synth almost like a mixing desk.

    Intellijel announced their Tetrapad earlier this year, and I gather they're in the process of R&Ding the prototype as we speak. And Sound Machines has a controller that they're getting ready to unveil as well. Those two seem to be very close to the Buchla touch controller. And of course, there's the Make Noise Pressure Points, which also interest me.

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    Buchla is crazy expensive...as much as I'd love to own something genuine, it's just too prohibitive.

    I love my Pressure Points. With the Brains tacked on, it also doubles as a handy aux sequencer.

    This is also floating around, and looks kind of interesting: http://folktek.com/instruments/symbi...onduit_desktop
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  18. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Buchla is crazy expensive...as much as I'd love to own something genuine, it's just too prohibitive.
    Yeah, to say nothing of the fact that the current owners of Buchla Electronic Musical Instruments essentially ripped off Don, who was suing BEMI at the time of his death.

    But those Buchla prices are the reason why I'm looking forward to Intellijel and Soundmachines controllers that are coming out. Controllers aside, most of the Buchla ideas and concepts are available at better prices in Eurorack anyway.
    I love my Pressure Points. With the Brains tacked on, it also doubles as a handy aux sequencer.
    There's a video on Youtube where a musician is using four PP's, three of them I think are set to give a chromatic octave, then the fourth allows him to select which octave the other three are operating in. That's something I've wanted to try sometime.

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    More truly mighty machines (as a contrast to those expensive modular machines that go "PING" )

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    Don't be hatin' the ping!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Don't be hatin' the ping!!
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    The first digital, polyphonic synthesizer, the RMI Keyboard Computer, demonstrated by none other than the legendary Morgan Fisher:



    Amazing, for an instrument made in 1975, those bells are pure 80s! Todd Rundgren/Roger Powell used one of these, as did Eloy’s Detlev Schmidtchen.
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    That's wild...the pedal usage makes sense, but would definitely take some getting used to
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    Get yourself a Roland branded miniminimoog for USD500! Lot's of clones of classics coming out now...



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    Get yourself a Roland branded miniminimoog for USD500! Lot's of clones of classics coming out now...



    Looks yummy!

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