And you were limited to just 2 songs for each decade from the 1950s to today, what would be on your mix?
And you were limited to just 2 songs for each decade from the 1950s to today, what would be on your mix?
Prog? 1950s?
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
I figured SOMEbody here would be able to name a track or 2 that was "progressive" for its time.
Aw shoot. This sounds fun enough.
'60s: "In the Court of the Crimson King," Zappa's "King Kong" (um, choose a version?)
'70s: "Close to the Edge," "Supper's Ready"
'80s: "Discipline," Iron Maiden's "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son"
'90s: Discipline's "Into the Dream," PT's "Even Less"
'00s: "ConstruKction of Light," Big Big Train, "The Underfall Yard"
'10s: Beardfish, "The Void," Steven Wilson, "Raider II"
I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight.
Sun Ra was kinda prog jazz, and he started in the 40s.
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The question is, does this reflect my taste or what I think the newbie will respond too?
What newbies might respond to.
I knew it.Originally Posted by Progtopia
60's Moody Blues, "Tuesday Afternoon" -- KC "The Court of the Crimson King"
70's Pink Floyd, "Pigs" -- Yes, "Heart of the Sunrise"
80's Rush, "Tom Sawyer" --
90's Änglagård, "Kung Bore" --
00's PT, "Anesthetize" -- PT, "Arriving Somewhere But Not Here"
10's SW, ...almost all of " Get All You Deserve"
This is hard...I can't limit myself, and I'm trying to balance between choosing my favorites and ones that a "prospective proghead" would like. I have far too many favorites from the 70's!
60's - Court Of The Crimson King, Interstellar Overdrive
70's - Close To The Edge, Suppers Ready
80's - Tom Sawyer, Dense (Univers Zero - sorry couldn't help myself)
90's - Jordrök (Anglagard), Paranoid Android (Radiohead)
00's - Anesthetize (PT), Ticks & Leeches (Tool)
10's - Rogue (Discipline), Raider II ( S Wilson)
A lot more mainstream than my usual selection but these are where I'd go for a newbie.
Ian
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Absolutely!I figured SOMEbody here would be able to name a track or 2 that was "progressive" for its time.
Well, as the 60s onwards will be heavily covered, I'll cover the early stuff, which is where my progressive passion lies anyway, in early: avant-garde, musique concrete, modern composition, tape music, experimental electronic, found sound.
'00s - Bela Bartok - Kossuth (1903) (original piano version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqGV...?v=eqqGVxLC5M4)
'10s - Henry Cowell - Aimable Conversation (1917) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XhXA-0Xzjk
'20s - Varese: Ameriques (1921) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz87TReEtbY
'30s - Messiaen: Oraison (1937) (sounds like something the BBC would have done for Dr. Who in the 60s) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EU0ISo996A
'40s - Pierre Schaeffer: Etude aux chemins de fer (train sounds- musique concrete) (1948) (perhaps the first "found sound" composer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9pOq8u6-bA
'50s - Stockhausen: Kontakte pt.1 (1959), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNt6a5xFOnE
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50s: Just about anything from Stan Kenton's New Concepts of Artistry in Rhythm (1952)
Dave Brubeck Quartet - "Take Five" (1959)
60s: Pink Floyd - "See-Saw" (1968)
Soft Machine - "As Long As He Lies Perfectly Still" (1969)
70s: King Crimson - "Larks Tongues in Aspic, part 2" (1973)
Henry Cow - "Industry" (1978)
80s: UZero - "Bonjour Chez Vous" (1981)
Talk Talk - "Desire" (1988)
90s: 5UU's - "Well, Not Chickenshit" (1994)
Mr. Bungle - "Sleep (part II): Carry Stress in the Jaw" (1995)
00s: Time of Orchids - "Darling Abandon" (2007)
Dirty Projectors - "Useful Chamber" (2009)
10s: Kayo Dot - "Abyss Hinge 2: The Shrinking Armature" (2010)
Scott Walker - "Epizootics" (2012)
This is about an ol' 90s mins Basf cassette worth of stuff.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Not bad...., although that would most likely have our newbie running for the hills!
no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone
It is a great list but yeah a newbie would be high tailing itNot bad...., although that would most likely have our newbie running for the hills!
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-a...re-happy-hour/
Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
We'd have to take on the roles as pedantics here, and try to make things properly interesting before the newbie starts listening. And a clue; "Hey, watch for the gradual expansion in radical thought at play here - and you know what? That S. Walker dude is the oldest living guy on the list!" Thereby alluding to more of an existentialist feature. Growing old is cool as long as you stay "progressive" in spirit!It is a great list but yeah a newbie would be high tailing it
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
When you get right down to it, (s)he'd be running when Close To The Edge started and probably never make it to the "accessible" parts of the piece.It is a great list but yeah a newbie would be high tailing it
BUT, if you make the compo too accessible isn't it just going to be radio prog anyway that the person has probably already heard? I'd avoid hits and the known stuff but stick to the big names to get the person interested.
Good calls on Varese, Messiaen, and Stockhausen.
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Nice mixes, truly - but what about what this hypothetical (or real) newbie is actually interested in? In picking out music to introduce someone to the genre, you must take into account what they already enjoy. I would never bother sharing Klaus Schultz with someone who's main music interest is say, Black Sabbath or Metallica, or whoever country person someone might like, or whatever. I do have the opportunity to do this fairly often, and I always find out what they really like first, and tailor the intro to that. A generic sampler is either going to bore or scare a newbie out of the genre forever. I think there is enough diversity within the progressive world to bring in ALL types with the right introduction.
Yeah. If you had someone into metal, it would be easy to shift into Rush and Dream Theater. If they were folk, start with acoustic Tull, Strawbs. And I wouldn't break it down by decade either.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
50's: Chuck Berry, Roll Over Beethoven and Link Wray, Rumble
60's: Grateful Dead, New Potato Caboose and Frank Zappa Son Of Mister Green Genes
70's: Magma, Köhntarkösz pt. 2 (studio version) and Yes, To Be Over
80's: Marillion, Bitter Suite and King Crimson, Industry
90's: Ozric Tentacles, Jurassic Shift, and Djam Karet, Topanga Safari
00's: Magma: KA pt. 1, and Glass Hammer, Chronos Deliverer
I have to agree, I wouldn't burden a newbie with a historical or even a sub-genre survey. Hit 'em close to where they live, and slowly reel them in...
Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world.
As a newbie, I myself was "drawn in" to progressive rock music by way of Zappa, Soft Machine, Beefheart and KCrimso. If anyone had tried to hook me up by playing Marillion or Alan Parsons, I may never have bothered.
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"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
If I were to make a prog mix I would call it "art rock" because I hate the word "prog". I can get comfortable with the term "art rock" even for my favorite band, Yes, considering that Steve Howe has called their music "sound painting" and Jon Anderson has pointed out that there is a visual aspect to the music. For me that somewhat takes the curse off of categorizing. That said,
I can't think of a single art rock piece from the 50s.
From the 60s I'd give a newbie:
1. Dark Star (live) - Grateful Dead
2. Rough choice. I used to like Zappa long ago and I have learned over the years that he was influential during the 60s so it's a toss-up between Peaches en Regalia (FZ) and A Day in the Life (Beatles)..
Plenty of great stuff from the 70s but not a hard choice.
1. Yours is No Disgrace
2. Supper's Ready
80s a bit tougher:
1. Elephant Talk - KC
2. Wolves,Lower - R.E.M. (I insist it's art)
90s even tougher
1. Endless Dream - Yes
2. Probably some more Yes
Beyond that I probably wouldn't bother.
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