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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    So who are the big Dungeon Synth fans here? There must be some (Jen?). Just found out about the genre, and looking at the Facebook community, artists on Bandcamp, etc. kind of nice, moody, lots of old B&W photos of castles and crumbling structures.
    Much obliged JKL2000 for introducing my local prog guild to Dungeon Synth. Now that you've had more than a year of fighting off trolls, exploring dungeons, could you post or point me to your most valuable Dungeon Synth treasures

    I like the eerie side of Dungeon Synth. Stuff like- Cimitir - Bonechiller.
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    Iím sorry, but are cassettes a thing again now?
    Apparently, it is. I've seen several bands selling cassettes at shows. I guess it's how they do "underground" music now, for some reason.

    BTW, I read a few years back that Cheap Trick put out an album on 8-track. Rick Nielsen said they had the number two selling 8-track in the word that year.

    Dumb phones?
    Most people inexplicably call them "smartphones", but yes, those are a thing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawford Glissadevil View Post
    Much obliged JKL2000 for introducing my local prog guild to Dungeon Synth. Now that you've had more than a year of fighting off trolls, exploring dungeons, could you post or point me to your most valuable Dungeon Synth treasures

    I like the eerie side of Dungeon Synth. Stuff like- Cimitir - Bonechiller.
    Glad you're enjoying!

    It's hard to pick favorites (and remember them) because there are some sort of "traditional" Dungeon Synth albums, and then some that break the mold in one way or another, and I like both. And there are a couple of "traditional" sorts too, some that are sort of dirge like and somewhat repetitive, and some that are more "chip tune" like, using old computer game music sounds. Anyway, I'll throw some out:

    https://countrym.bandcamp.com/album/sfdd

    https://chaucerianmyth.bandcamp.com/...nterbury-tales

    https://celastael.bandcamp.com/album/the-sad-dragon

    https://aineodwyer.bandcamp.com/albu...hurch-cleaners

    https://rabor.bandcamp.com/album/winternight-fairytales

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    Okay, I don't get how these can all be part of the same genre ("Dungeon Synth"). The Chaucerian Myth stuff is actually pretty well-developed, with some variety and real musical skill. The Church Cleaners is (apparently) pipe organ improvisations (could be a synth, but if so it's a good imitation of a pipe organ). The Winternight Fairytales stuff is also fairly developed, not sounding like 8-bit fifth graders music class at all. How can these all be one genre?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarGeek View Post
    BTW, I read a few years back that Cheap Trick put out an album on 8-track. Rick Nielsen said they had the number two selling 8-track in the world that year.
    Three copies ought to suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crawford Glissadevil View Post
    I like the eerie side of Dungeon Synth. Stuff like- Cimitir - Bonechiller.
    Okay, I take back everything I said about Dungeon Synth if this stuff is part of it. This is not bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Okay, I don't get how these can all be part of the same genre ("Dungeon Synth"). The Chaucerian Myth stuff is actually pretty well-developed, with some variety and real musical skill. The Church Cleaners is (apparently) pipe organ improvisations (could be a synth, but if so it's a good imitation of a pipe organ). The Winternight Fairytales stuff is also fairly developed, not sounding like 8-bit fifth graders music class at all. How can these all be one genre?
    If you can play Dungeons & Dragons to it, it's Dungeon Synth. It's a fair question though - maybe it all is just artists branching out from the Dungeon Synth style/community and doing something different, but there's still something that tethers it somewhat to the Dungeon Synth idea. I think the variety is a good thing, anyway.

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    Another thing to keep in mind is that Dungeon Synth, and the same goes for Vaporwave, developed in lots of different parts of the world at the same time. So you have music from all over the place with lots of different ideas and approaches. Oh, this applies to Chip Tune also.

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    Who names these? Who determines who is a member?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocProgger View Post
    This sounds like a genre tailor made for the lonely single white guy living in mommy's basement!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Who names these? Who determines who is a member?
    I actually need to correct something about Dungeon Synth: it really developed from the explorations that Black Metal bands made of ambient music - adding ambient, synth sections to Black Metal albums. So in that sense it developed earlier than the arrival of the "Dungeon Synth" genre.

    Who names these? Who names any genre? I do think, as I said, that these genres for the most part developed pretty quickly. Not sure what you mean by "who is a member?" Who decided which bands were Lo-Fi when that genre was named (by someone)? How about Post Rock? Who came up with that, and who decides which bands are Post Rock?

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    With most bands, being labeled is usually seen as a bad thing. However the Bandcamp pages you linked to, the Dungeon Synth entries all proudly self-labeled.... Regardless of whether it fit.

    If we can even define what it is.

    Which I guess we cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    With most bands, being labeled is usually seen as a bad thing. However the Bandcamp pages you linked to, the Dungeon Synth entries all proudly self-labeled.... Regardless of whether it fit.

    If we can even define what it is.

    Which I guess we cannot.
    Oh, I think all bands on Bandcamp tag their own music that they've posted. *I* know what Dungeon Synth is. There are subcategories of course. Oops, I thought I'd posted these:

    https://daily.bandcamp.com/2017/03/3...on-synth-list/

    https://daily.bandcamp.com/2018/04/0...o-the-dungeon/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    With most bands, being labeled is usually seen as a bad thing. However the Bandcamp pages you linked to, the Dungeon Synth entries all proudly self-labeled.... Regardless of whether it fit.

    If we can even define what it is.

    Which I guess we cannot.
    Purely IMHO but...it's the new world. Being a unique voice isn't necessarily as crucial as S.E.O. (Search Engine Optimization) in terms of reaching potential listeners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by battema View Post
    Purely IMHO but...it's the new world. Being a unique voice isn't necessarily as crucial as S.E.O. (Search Engine Optimization) in terms of reaching potential listeners.
    That's an interesting observation.

    So coming up with a good Googleable name -- like a drug company -- is more important than creating a unique musical voice? Have we reached the end of "progression" in music where it is now okay to sound exactly like everybody else? To do something that's been done a million times before?

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    It was always there a bit (I think back to the late 90's when I browsed certain prog vendors and every single CD had a sticker that read like the same 4-5 ingredients: RIYL Rush, Pink Floyd and Yes or RIYL Yes with Jethro Tull and Rush, and so on), but I think it is more streamlined now.

    I think it's also a bit more informed by consumer trends. Binges are a thing now. Just being associated with a genre/niche may now be enough for someone to buy your product alongside 24 other similar artists (or even more likely, simply add it to a playlist on Spotify, etc. which has almost zero added cost to the consumer).

    I'm very much not an expert on this, to be clear...but my "day job" company does work with SEO heavily and I see parallels. Sure, you can pay someone to promote you but if you can do it organically by making yourself easy to find (and frequently a "top" find) all the better. Trying to position yourself as unique, one-of-a-kind kind of has to happen AFTER people have already found you, you know?
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    In it's worst form...remember the late 90's/early 2000's where people would stuff their HTML pages full of metadata tags with a zillion "buzz words" or celebrity names, just in the hopes they'd end up indexed on Yahoo or something and people might click before they realized it was irrelevant? Same basic principle, but less scammy/porn-y
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    I think thereís less on Bandcamp tagged with Dungeon Synth that isnít actually considered Dungeon Synth than rcarlberg thinks. Itís easier to tell when youíre following news of new projects/releases on the DS FaceBook group.

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    Another interesting Dungeon Synth related article from Bandcamp, about dark ambient artist Erang:

    https://daily.bandcamp.com/2019/02/0...nth-interview/

    I've listened to (and purchased) some of his music, but this article ought to help me explore a bit more.

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    This isn't a genre this is a term for usage, this is pigeonholing certain bands from real genres e.g. ambient, black metal. It is a term for usage e.g. like Sunday morning music or driving music or study music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndiSexgang View Post
    This isn't a genre this is a term for usage, this is pigeonholing certain bands from real genres e.g. ambient, black metal. It is a term for usage e.g. like Sunday morning music or driving music or study music.
    Thanks for hipping us to the truth, Mr. Sexgang.

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    So then, is this music to play in an S&M dungeon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    So then, is this music to play in an S&M dungeon?
    I don't see why you couldn't play it in your S&M dungeon. Let us know if you try it.

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    I'll send you pics.

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