I don't think it's bad, as such: just bland and trite.
I don't think it's bad, as such: just bland and trite.
Does it matter that this waste of time is what makes a life for you?
Kinda cool. I kinda like it. Yeah, does sound a lot like 'Up', but then I rather like 'Up'.
Sorry fellas, this blows.
^Well, no, not really. But I find it arrogant to blithely tell an artist what they 'need' to/should be doing. It's the artist's freedom to do what they want and our freedom not to like it, but that's where it ends.
Speaking strictly on a business level, if this is how PG will be releasing his music, it will be way past my bedtime when, or if, the next song is released.
As for taste, I wasn't much of a fan of "Up." I had noticed a change between "Security" & "So" that signaled, somewhat faintly, that PG & I were parting ways. In retrospect I can appreciate that that signal was emanating from both of us. Bottom line: as a one-time fanboy, I'll always be curious to see what PG does, but I no longer HAVE to purchase it.
I've got a bike you can ride it if you like
As usual with latter-day Gabriel, no "there" there. Where does it begin and what leads it to the end? Is there a conclusion at all? An overproduced fleeting thought captured for posterity.
Addendum:
For all those who say, "Keep criticizing and he'll stop making music." Yeah, well, I wish he would start making some before he stops.
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I've listened twice. Maybe this should have been cut 2 minutes and replaced the opening track on "Up". Or, it could have replaced "Signal to Noise." Or,...
Agree with everything you write here. I'm not keen on that kind of passive-aggressive, put-up-or-shut-up comment; it's intended to stifle criticism and have an echo-chamber of endless 'it's great' fanboy comment.
I have the greatest of respect for and get great enjoyment out of almost everything he recorded from Trespass through to and including Us. Unfortunately after that, the work has taken longer and longer, to its detriment, IMHO. Up had some great moments ('Darkness', 'Sky Blue', 'Signal To Noise'), but quite a bit of plodding introspection, and it was- again- very overproduced IMHO.
I'm not a member of The Cult Of Steven Wilson, but within this interview he did with Anil Prasad for his Innerviews site, Wilson nails what I think is wrong with Up:
http://www.innerviews.org/inner/ptree.html
But whatever, I'll always cherish that 20-plus years of brilliant work.
Wilson: " Up just collapses under the weight of its own overwroughted-ness."
Wilson thought In Abstentia was better than Up, but I'd disagree. I understand his comment, but Up works if you cut a couple of songs: "The Berry Williams Show" and "My Head Sounds Like That" so that a 67 minute album is cut to 52 minutes. You could even cut "Darkness" and still have a powerful 45 minute album. That is how I listened to Up from 2003 to 2005 when I listened a lot.
In Abstentia clocking in at 68 minutes is also too long for my ant attention span. The first 28 minutes are great but then "Wedding Nails" can go. Back with "Prodigal" but then "3"..."The Creator Has a Masterpiece" can also go (even though pretty good)... Cut 11 more minutes. So that leaves an excellent 50 minute album.
I understanding keeping "Darkness" but got tired of that as the opening after a while. "No Way Out" is part of the essential Up experience! I had to be in a certain mood for my 45 minute version whereas I didn't need to be for In Abstentia, but I think Gabriel's last album is overall more interesting and left a deeper impact on the two years I listened to it but was happy to discover Porcupine Tree around the same time.
While I really like Steven Wilson, both as a musician and as a person, I have to strongly disagree with his assessment of Up.
Up came out when I was 18, and at a very important time in my life -- a turning point, really. Was dealing with a loss in the family, and the music helped me through that time. In particular, No Way Out and Sky Blue touched me and evoked emotions like no other song ever had before. That was what led to music becoming a passion of mine, rather than just something to listen to sometimes.
Nowadays, it's almost too emotional for me to even listen to; I have to be in the right frame of mind for it. While it's by no means perfect, Up remains very important to me. Of course, not everyone will feel that way about it, and that's okay too.
I can't say the same thing about In Absentia, even though I like it very much. It just presses different buttons.
Good track, not one of his best things but decent.
I personally think Up is in his top 3 Albums.
I agree with Wilson (even though he can be insufferable sometimes). I was a HUGE Gabriel fan when I was a teenager. PG3 & Security are still some of my favorite music ever.
I think that eventually we just "parted ways" musically. I totally respect his talent, but I'm not really into much of his music since So. I think it's natural for us to want artists we really like to continue to produce music we love. Sometimes we just have to move on.
I do like the track from "Wall-E" though...
I was in a similar situation to aith01. so when I friend gave me Up, knowing that I was a huge PG fan I reluctantly took it but said I didn't want to listen to something so depressing when I was also down.
Once I took off three songs, I started playing it in the summer of 2004 when recovery was just beginning, listening to it a lot while biking on very wide sidewalks along a river and to to the beach in my area of Japan. I'd listen to In Abstentia as well along with others but nothing was as soothing like "No Way Out" and "Blue Skies" - and really my entire 45 minute version. When the very worst was over I found myself playing Up less until it was actually hard to play for a while since an emotional reminder of the Really Bad Days. I play it, but once a year
So I'm biased, but I think both CDs are around 20 minutes too long and are helped greatly by cutting some songs - especially Up .
Last edited by yamishogun; 06-19-2016 at 02:08 AM.
I love Up. It is kind of overproduced but I don't mind too much.
New song I have heard just few times so far. It is ok but nothing stunning or really new.
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