Yes, because he's done so many meaningful things since he left the band.Originally Posted by rojon
Yes, because he's done so many meaningful things since he left the band.
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Why not Rabin's done albums with Yes before that weren't excellent.Also excitedI just can't see Rabin committing to finishing an album and touring if he didn't think it would be excellent. I also think it won't sound like any Yes album so far but will be sound like a Yes album and not a Rabin solo album.
Only one: Big Generator. We give him a pass on that, right?Why not Rabin's done albums with Yes before that weren't excellent.
He came back with Talk, an album that Yes fans (except for Henry) have universally embraced around the world.
^Well, I haven't embraced it either...and in fact it was the first Yes studio album since the early 70s to not receive any kind of sales certification. These things can be out of date, but here goes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_discography
I am still looking forward to hearing this new album, of course.
Big Generator has the best YESWEST track on it-Final Eyes! The rest also make it a very solid album!!Only one: Big Generator. We give him a pass on that, right?
He came back with Talk, an album that Yes fans (except for Henry) have universally embraced around the world.
BG is certainly better than some would have you believe.
Personally, I admire what they were trying to do with it. BG is a little more experimental than 90125, less "arena rock". Then there's Final Eyes and I'm Running, two of my favorite Yes songs ever.
Sure, Love Will Find A Way is a bit mainstream, but the guitar melody that begins the song is a great hook. If it wasn't for that, I might never have gotten into Yes.
You mean since he was booted.Yes, because he's done so many meaningful things since he left the band.
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Whatever. What the Church of Jon zealots can't accept is that he earned that boot.
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Whoah! I have always thought that Big Generator is the one that has more arena rock feeling than 90125!BG is certainly better than some would have you believe.
Personally, I admire what they were trying to do with it. BG is a little more experimental than 90125, less "arena rock". Then there's Final Eyes and I'm Running, two of my favorite Yes songs ever.
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Definitely. Nowhere near as experimental (for its time) as 90125.Whoah! I have always thought that Big Generator is the one that has more arena rock feeling than 90125!
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
BG is certainly better than some would have you believe.
Personally, I admire what they were trying to do with it. BG is a little more experimental than 90125, less "arena rock". Then there's Final Eyes and I'm Running, two of my favorite Yes songs ever.
Sure, Love Will Find A Way is a bit mainstream, but the guitar melody that begins the song is a great hook. If it wasn't for that, I might never have gotten into Yes.
^^^BINGO! The song 'Big Generator' is quite an experimental song, certainly compared to anything on 90125. Yes, 'Final Eyes' is a classic in the YES cannon!
Totally agree. It's nowhere near as strong an album either IMHO. Certainly 'Final Eyes' and 'I'm Running' are more akin to 70s Yes and are very good, but most of the rest is more 'arena rock', I think (well, I suppose 'Holy Lamb' aside!).
Interesting alternative spelling of "Shoot High, Aim Low"...
I played Big Generator a lot when it came out and mostly really liked it apart from "Love Will Find A Way" which is a good song but didn't fit for me in the whole. I wasn't surprised to read that Rabin thought "Holy Lamb" was incomplete as I heard that as well so usually skipped it despite a really good seed to a song. The title track didn't quite seem finished either so I would at times like it for what it was and at other times not since it seems could have been reworked somehow.
No reason to touch "Shoot High, Aim Low," and "Final Eyes" along with "I'm Running" have many moments of greatness. I can also really enjoy the build up to "Almost Like Love." I guess I don't like the album as much if not in the the right mood for it.
Holy Lamb is my favorite song from BG. That is definitely NOT an arena rock song. I'll give you that.
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I think Talk also is mostly conventional AOR. Very little on it that links it to Yes, for me...I don't care how long 'Endless Dream' is.
I don't get any AOR vibes from Endless Dream. And it is not only about lenght. It is girth too!
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For me Jon lost his mojo years ago sadly, I just cannot take him seriously anymore I'm afraid. I may be interested in his project with Roine Stolt but need to hear it before I buy it. Too many disappointments, too many lame solo albums or albums never even being released. Yes? I'm seeing them twice in the next week - need I say more?
Whoah! I have always thought that Big Generator is the one that has more arena rock feeling than 90125!Have to disagree with you there.
I love both albums though.
Big Generator had 5 good tunes, 3 clunkers.
90125 came out of nowhere, it wasn't prog, it wasn't new wave, it wasn't corporate arena rock ( compare the sound with any number of Mike Stone monstrosities the same period)
It was the two Trevors, producing a breath of fresh air.
There's nothing innovative at all on Big Generator. No risks. 90125 had the Trevor Horn production, which was very current, and the very unusual "Leave It." There was nothing like "Leave it" or even "Owner of a Lonely Heart" on the radio at the time.Have to disagree with you there.
I love both albums though.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Totally, completely agree.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Except that there was suddenly a Beach Boys influence (especially Rhythm of Love, but really on the whole album) that I never heard in Yes before or since.Whoah! I have always thought that Big Generator is the one that has more arena rock feeling than 90125!
That element was there on their debut album.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
I hear Beatles, Simon & Garfunkel and a few other things on their debut, but nothing as blatantly Beach Boys as the vocal arrangement on "Rhythm" (which I like a lot).
Stu... hmmm, yeah, that could be great. I've warmed up to Portnoy some, but I think he's a little obnoxious to be working with guys like this. Anyway, I read earlier on one of the facebook pages that the rhythm section are not "name" players.
Re: Big Generator - for as much as I tend to dislike "commercial" or "arena" rock or whatever you want to call it, I AM a fan of some "pop sensibility". I think the singles are great - Love Will Find a Way and Rhythm of Love. Lose the title track and It's Almost Like Love, and I think it's a fine record. Especially under the conditions - they were really facing the sophomore slump and dealing with producer conflicts.
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