Oh I'd still take Rodgers or Montana ahead of most everyone else.
Oh I'd still take Rodgers or Montana ahead of most everyone else.
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True in a sport like baseball. Not true in a sport like football.Originally Posted by NogbadTheBad
Traditional statistics in football don't mean close to what they do in baseball, because so much is situational. For example, decent QBs on bad teams can have deceptively good statistics because they're always playing from behind and therefore throwing a lot more (and into defenses that will willingly give up plays to the middle of the field in the 4th quarter). Traditional statistics don't differentiate between passes made on the run, in the face of pressure, vs. blitzes, etc.
Rodgers consistently makes great throws from just about anywhere on the field, to anywhere on the field. If someone was to say that Marino and Manning did it slightly better, I wouldn't have a problem with that, but Rodgers is definitely an all-time great in that regard.
While I agree with you on a lot of football stats the ones I posted are purely postseason stats so reflect good teams playing good teams rather than bad teams chasing scores by throwing a lot. They are also over a large sample size of playoff games so balance out those discrepancies. Rodgers stats are actually the best of the ones I listed so I'm arguing that they do back up the "eye test".
Ian
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Rodgers probably throws the most accurate, best deep ball.
Think about what he could've done in the old Raiders offense from the 60s and 70s. Man.
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Rodgers is simply fun to watch. I'm not interested in rating him versus contemporary or past QBs.
When he is on, he can truly light it up!
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It should end with the TV sports dudes.
I will never refer to Rodgers as that. It sounds… dumb, to be honest.
Speaking of Packer QBs and TV sports dudes, this is still one of my favorite sports memes
Madden-Favre.jpg
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
Never saw that before.
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plenty of schlub QBs have Super Bowl rings, but statistically fantastic QBs like Marino and Romo do not.
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
Mentioning Romo in the same sentence and context as Marino is the same as mentioning Stafford, for example (there's others that fit), in the same sentence and context as Rodgers imo. 2 of them are very good to superb, but the other 2 are 20% of the best 10 QBs in NFL history. YMMV
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician, and to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference"
President Harry S. Truman
Nope. You nailed it.
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Since this is the NFL discussion thread, and we've been flirting around this a bit, my retired, idle mind started writing down who I thought were the 10 best NFL QBs of all time.
I'm wording this very specifically: tell me who I forgot and who shouldn't be on there.
A Rodgers
D Marino
J Montana
B Favre
P Manning
T Brady
D Brees
R Staubach
J Elway
S Young
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician, and to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference"
President Harry S. Truman
Its a good list, but I think there's definitely room for Aikman, Tarkenton, Bradshaw and Kelly
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Starr.
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I think that if it hadn't been for consecutive seasons with bad teams and serious injuries, Ken Anderson would be apart of this conversation. He was mentored by one of the great offensive minded coaches and QB whisperers of all time afterall, when Bill Walsh was OC for Cincinnati in the 70s. Neil Lomax of the then St Louis Cardinals was brilliant until contracting degenerative hip disease. Joe Theismann might have played another 5 years if not for his leg getting snapped in two.
Had Denver never acquired Terrell Davis in the 90s we might still be talking John Elway when referring to all-time Superbowl chokers. Instead, it's gotta be Kelly.
Dan Fouts should be in the discussion. Before my time, but Johnny Unitas, Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham rate. Favre wouldn't make the cut for me.
I wouldn't include Favre
Ian
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Definitely Unitas
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Warren Moon deserves to be in the discussion.
don't have time atm to fashion a list, but I agree with all this.
I'd add Steve Young from geezers list as well to that last thought.
Please don't ask questions, just use google.
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Yep, Unitas and Tark. Too bad Namath had such bad knees or he could have had a career worthy of consideration.
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down.'- Bob Newhart
I can see Bradshaw instead of Young pretty easily, and Unitas & Staubach are a toss-up imo, but (for all you stat freaks), Favre stays
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician, and to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference"
President Harry S. Truman
Amen!I can see Bradshaw instead of Young pretty easily, and Unitas & Staubach are a toss-up imo, but (for all you stat freaks), Favre stays
I wouldn't have Bradshaw anywhere near that list, and Young definitely belongs on there. I'd put Unitas over Staubach, but that could be my anti-Cowboy bias, too. I've always thought of Unitas as an all-timer, while Staubach was "merely great." Both were before my time, however, so take all of that with a grain of salt.I can see Bradshaw instead of Young pretty easily, and Unitas & Staubach are a toss-up imo, but (for all you stat freaks), Favre stays
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Bradshaw always struck me as a 'right time right place' QB on a dominant side at a time when super teams stayed together longer, he was like Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon but over a longer period.
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on progrock.com
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
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