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    It's true, we could have all just Googled the 2019 Grammy awards instead of discussing it at all on PE. That would have been much easier!
    Yeah, but nowhere near as fulfilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    It's true, we could have all just Googled the 2019 Grammy awards instead of discussing it at all on PE. That would have been much easier!
    Possibly... Is it very difficult for you to Google or Wikipedia the names of these people, then, come to PE and discuss that person? I am asking honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gruno View Post
    Possibly... Is it very difficult for you to Google or Wikipedia the names of these people, then, come to PE and discuss that person? I am asking honestly.
    No, of course not. It's fun to ask "Who the hell is this person who just won best record in the Grammys?" Or whatever it was. You don't have to respond to it. I actually never would have guessed that he was an actor who just came up with this name recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I actually never would have guessed that he was an actor who just came up with this name recently.
    I thought he was a nice Italian kid from Queens who works in the small-business insurance field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moecurlythanu View Post
    I thought he was a nice Italian kid from Queens who works in the small-business insurance field.
    That's Adele.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    No, of course not. It's fun to ask "Who the hell is this person who just won best record in the Grammys?" Or whatever it was. You don't have to respond to it. I actually never would have guessed that he was an actor who just came up with this name recently.
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    I watched the whole thing pretty much, since I was at my girlfriend's house and she wanted to watch it. There was one WTF moment for me, during that Dolly Parton (with Maren Morris and Miley Cyrus) medley of Dolly's greatest hits: they did Neil Young's "After The Gold Rush". I thought at first that Neil had just died and it was a tribute, but no... My girlfriend thought it was meant as a call for environmentalism since they changed the lyric to "Look at Mother Nature on the run in the 21st century". Now I see in a Rolling Stone article that Dolly recorded that song with Linda Ronstadt and Emmylou Harris back in 1995. Still, that was a weird moment; the lyrics of that song are pretty bizarre, especially considering the fact that every other song performed that night was VERY commercial.

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    After The Gold Rush is one of Neil's best songs, and dates back to 1970. It is also on the 1999 Trio II album by Emmylou, Linda and Dolly. I'm sorry I missed Dolly performing it last night. It wouldn't do any good to use Neil's original lyric: "Look at Mother Nature on the run in the 1970s." Most of the Grammy audience probably weren't born then.

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    After The Gold Rush is one of Neil's best songs, and dates back to 1970. It is also on the 1999 Trio II album by Emmylou, Linda and Dolly. I'm sorry I missed Dolly performing it last night. It wouldn't do any good to use Neil's original lyric: "Look at Mother Nature on the run in the 1970s." Most of the Grammy audience probably weren't born then.
    For the record, Neil has consistently updated that lyric when he plays it live. The first time I heard it was the Berlin concert from the Trans tour, which I believe was shown on HBO in the early 80's, and in that version he sang "Mother Nature on the run in the 1980's". THen when he did an "unplugged" concert on VH-1 (I don't think it was MTV Unplugged, I think it was something different, although he did do an MTV show, in fact he did two of them, but the first one never aired) in the early 90's, he changed it to "on the run in the 1990's", and when I saw him do it was CSN&Y, circa 2002, that was the first time I heard the "21st century" line, which I guess is the on place he could go with that one, since "20-naughts" or whatever wouldn't have rhymed, nor would it have scanned correctly.

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    I've heard people argue about the meaning of that song for decades. This wiki entry cleared it all up for me.

    Dolly Parton once commented about the making of her version of the song: "When we were doing the Trio album, I asked Linda and Emmy what it meant, and they didn't know. So we called Neil Young, and he didn't know. We asked him, flat out, what it meant, and he said, 'Hell, I don't know. I just wrote it. It just depends on what I was taking at the time. I guess every verse has something different I'd taken.'"[
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    Which one of them sang the line "There was a band playin' in my head
    And I felt like getting high?" Maybe it was all three of them.

    EDIT: Just watched their performance of this from Letterman in 1999 - they change the line to "I felt like I could cry." Wimps!

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    I saw a stupid headline yesterday:

    "It's confusing, yes, but there is a difference between song, record and album of the year."

    This is what our society has come to, folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    I saw a stupid headline yesterday:

    "It's confusing, yes, but there is a difference between song, record and album of the year."

    This is what our society has come to, folks.
    I'm actually not clear on what the difference is. Song and Album seem clear, but I'm not sure what the difference is between Record and Album. Assuming they actually do use all these categories. I sort of thought that Record used to mean the same thing as Song.

    Basically the categories seem to be set so that they can give out a sh*t-ton of awards.

    BTW, I was wondering what they would do if some rock band happened to have a major hit, that would potentially win something like song of the year. Would it be relegated to the Rock category and the award presented outside of the broadcast? Could it be in the running for Song of the year? Or maybe not, because it was Rock?

    I just don't know how they work these things out, but if I actually watched the show maybe I'd have a better idea.

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    I believe that the difference between Song and Record is that one is a songwriter award (which has become rather cumbersome and ridiculous now with a dozen song doctors working over a three minute dance pop song) and the other is a producer award. Album is still album of the year but has grown to mean less in a market where singles rule.
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    Early in my musical journey, when I was a young teen, I gave away all my 45 rpm singles, and became an album guy. Now when I get an album, if it has a single on it, I never even hear about it. Anachronism, much?

    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000
    BTW, I was wondering what they would do if some rock band happened to have a major hit, that would potentially win something like song of the year. Would it be relegated to the Rock category and the award presented outside of the broadcast? Could it be in the running for Song of the year? Or maybe not, because it was Rock?
    It would be completely ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolly Parton
    we called Neil Young, and he didn't know. We asked him, flat out, what it meant, and he said, 'Hell, I don't know. I just wrote it.
    I remember Dr. Brian May talking about Bohemian Rhapsody, and how he had no idea what the lyrics were about i.e. "What was thrown away, who got killed", etc, before saying "If I did know what it was about, I probably wouldn't tell you, because I wouldn't tell you what my songs are about".
    Just watched their performance of this from Letterman in 1999 - they change the line to "I felt like I could cry." Wimps!
    Is it like that on the Trio record, or was it changed for the broadcast? Ya know, Letterman did a show from the Ed Sullivan Theater, which has a tradition of the latter...i.e. "Let's spend some time together".

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    It is, "I felt like I could cry" on Trio II, even in the included printed lyrics. I don't know that they are wimps for changing from Young's original "I felt like getting high." Why buck Nashville if you don't have to? Or maybe Dolly, Linda, and Emmylou didn't unanimously agree on drug references in a song they were recording together. Neil didn't care if they changed the words. Why should we?

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    It's true, Neil would have had to give permission for them to change it (or they should have sought it), so there's that. It's just a bit jarring.

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    It's true, Neil would have had to give permission for them to change it (or they should have sought it), so there's that. It's just a bit jarring.
    I'm not sure you need permission if you change just two or three words. I could be wrong. Supposedly, after the first Megadeth album had been out for a decade, Lee Hazelwood contacted Dave Mustaine and made it known he didn't appreciate Dave swearing on his song (though as Dave noted on That Metal Zone, Hazelwood didn't seem to mind cashing the royalty checks from the song for the preceding decade). So, the next time the album was reissued, Dave censored out all the swear words. I dunno if Hazelwood would have an legal recourse if Dave had told him to where to stick it.

    One that I thought was kinda ridiculous was the Belle Stars version of Aiko Aiko, where they change "Gonna set your ass on fire" to "Gonna set your fat on fire". Then again, maybe that's how it was on whichever version they learned the song from. They could have gotten it off an old Henry Belafonte record or something like that, from the era when you couldn't say "ass" on a record.

    I think where you need permission is when you change entire stanzas wholesale, even then, only if the song isn't in the public domain. You also kinda want to do that, because if you make a contribution to the song, you get to collect publishing royalties. And if you make a contribution to a song that's in the public domain (or say something like using a Beethoven or Bach piece as the basis for your song), you get to collect all the royalties.

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