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    Quote Originally Posted by 2steves View Post
    Geez after guitar god Howe left they could only play BB Kings--how embarrassing.
    I did see a great Earthworks concert there and met Bill.

    When ever I hear other guitarists play Howe they all sound like they got to guitar hero it up.
    Reminding me of what an original he is.
    BB Kings isn't so bad, but it did seem a bit pathetic with the grand walk-on music and the tiny stage.

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    You might want to recheck your Asia tour history...
    That was a university show right? They did, I think, two or three university warm-up gigs before kicking off their first official tour in Pittsburgh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    BB Kings isn't so bad, but it did seem a bit pathetic with the grand walk-on music and the tiny stage.
    From what I heard, there were less than 100 people in attendance. It didn't help that King Crimson were playing around the corner and Allan Holdsworth was a few blocks away that night. And some of KC went to Holdsy after their gig for his second set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obscured View Post
    From what I heard, there were less than 100 people in attendance.
    Utter bullshit. I was there, the place was packed.

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    ASIA with Trevor Rabin - Starry Eyes (Only Time Will Tell) 1981 Rehearsal
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    Quote Originally Posted by yamishogun View Post
    I was there. Trevor Rabin was still in the band then.
    They played a gig with Rabin??

    Quote Originally Posted by 2steves View Post
    When ever I hear other guitarists play Howe they all sound like they got to guitar hero it up.
    Reminding me of what an original he is.
    I never understood that. It's not like the stuff he played in Asia was that difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    That was a university show right? They did, I think, two or three university warm-up gigs before kicking off their first official tour in Pittsburgh.
    Setlist.com lists a few shows before Pittsburgh, but I'd have to hunt down my ticket stub for the exact date I saw the Akron Civic Theater show. *shrug* I recall Wetton and/or Howe announcing the gig as their first public performance. I also remember running into and being interviewed by (locally, at least) legendary music journalist Jane Scott before the concert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=RTFR666=- View Post
    Setlist.com lists a few shows before Pittsburgh, but I'd have to hunt down my ticket stub for the exact date I saw the Akron Civic Theater show. *shrug* I recall Wetton and/or Howe announcing the gig as their first public performance. I also remember running into and being interviewed by (locally, at least) legendary music journalist Jane Scott before the concert.
    Yes, but they were not part of the official tour, which began in Pittsburgh. I distinctly recall that they played maybe three gigs warming up for the tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    They played a gig with Rabin??



    I never understood that. It's not like the stuff he played in Asia was that difficult.
    Rabin was actually slated to be in Asia (with the original four members). This is sometime in 1981 prior to him joining up with Squire and White. His time in Asia was brief. He was slated to play guitar and sing, or perhaps share lead vocals with Wetton. For whatever reason, he didn't last long with Asia.

    As a side note, someone posted this on Wetton's discussion board sometime back. IIRC, Wetton wasn't too pleased about it.

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    Right - I knew that. I didn't know that he played live with them. I thought he was just part of early discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    Right - I knew that. I didn't know that he played live with them. I thought he was just part of early discussions.
    Someone posted some early demos a while ago of Rabin singing & playing during his brief tenure with Asia, one of the songs was 'Only Time Will Tell'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    Someone posted some early demos a while ago of Rabin singing & playing during his brief tenure with Asia, one of the songs was 'Only Time Will Tell'.
    Yes, I'm well-aware. What I didn't realize was that Rabin played live shows with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruno Sampaio Barbosa View Post
    ASIA with Trevor Rabin - Starry Eyes (Only Time Will Tell) 1981 Rehearsal
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2cvs8c
    Don't think I ever heard this. Thanks!

    This stuff would have been a nice bonus to 90124 but I guess there would be rights issues....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufus View Post
    Someone posted some early demos a while ago of Rabin singing & playing during his brief tenure with Asia, one of the songs was 'Only Time Will Tell'.
    There was a separate, prior attempt to form a supergroup consisting of Rabin, Rick Wakeman, Wetton and Palmer - which iirc Wakeman (or was it Wetton?) claims to have turned down because it was too artificial a way to put a band together. Evidently this was before "Drama"-era Yes broke up (late 1980) and Howe and, subsequently, Downes, were drafted into the project.
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    Don't think I ever heard this. Thanks!

    This stuff would have been a nice bonus to 90124 but I guess there would be rights issues....
    Plus, wasn't the concept of 90124 to have material penned by (mostly) Rabin ? Which wasn't the case here.

    I quite enjoy the "Asia In Asia" concert. I have sympathy of Lake who I think does a good job in what is quite a humiliating position, singing all someone else's lyrics, vocal and bass lines etc., in a rather dignified manner (his pitch is a little flat at times, but he's mostly quite good I think). The "live" sound also makes the music more "ballsy" than the overproduced studio versions, with Howe sounding much more like himself. Sure, the whole thing of Downes running from one spot to another in a seemingly endless juxtaposition of keyboards is even beyond the "Spinal Tap" level of silliness. But, taken for what it is, it's enjoyable.

    I saw the reformed Asia a couple of times (2008/2010) and didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much. It's not just the physical effect of getting old taking its toll on the musicianship, which was still quite good, but to me Asia is essentially music for teenagers and young adults (I don't mean that as an insult, it's just the demographic it catered to at the time) and while it was OK (apart from the sellout aspect of former proggers "going commercial") in 1982 for it to be played by thirty-somethings who still looked relatively youthful, it's something else to see old men perform it. Which in the case of a proggy-prog group I wouldn't see as an issue as long as the playing is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Sure, the whole thing of Downes running from one spot to another in a seemingly endless juxtaposition of keyboards is even beyond the "Spinal Tap" level of silliness.
    Oh, how I cringed when I first saw that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Plus, wasn't the concept of 90124 to have material penned by (mostly) Rabin ? Which wasn't the case here.

    I quite enjoy the "Asia In Asia" concert. I have sympathy of Lake who I think does a good job in what is quite a humiliating position, singing all someone else's lyrics, vocal and bass lines etc., in a rather dignified manner (his pitch is a little flat at times, but he's mostly quite good I think). The "live" sound also makes the music more "ballsy" than the overproduced studio versions, with Howe sounding much more like himself. Sure, the whole thing of Downes running from one spot to another in a seemingly endless juxtaposition of keyboards is even beyond the "Spinal Tap" level of silliness. But, taken for what it is, it's enjoyable.

    I saw the reformed Asia a couple of times (2008/2010) and didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much. It's not just the physical effect of getting old taking its toll on the musicianship, which was still quite good, but to me Asia is essentially music for teenagers and young adults (I don't mean that as an insult, it's just the demographic it catered to at the time) and while it was OK (apart from the sellout aspect of former proggers "going commercial") in 1982 for it to be played by thirty-somethings who still looked relatively youthful, it's something else to see old men perform it. Which in the case of a proggy-prog group I wouldn't see as an issue as long as the playing is good.
    I wonder if there is anything else "available" regarding Rabin's involvement. I realize he wasn't around very long.


    I enjoy Asia in Asia far too much for my own good. Don't even miss Wetton all that much which is kind of strange. Downes sure is a trip on this one, but the whole thing seems like a kind of celebration

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post

    I quite enjoy the "Asia In Asia" concert. I have sympathy of Lake who I think does a good job in what is quite a humiliating position, singing all someone else's lyrics, vocal and bass lines etc., in a rather dignified manner (his pitch is a little flat at times, but he's mostly quite good I think).
    Why would that be humiliating?



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    Why would that be humiliating?
    Well, a guy who was kind of a star in his own right in the 70s, with a strong body of successful songs of his own, hired to basically impersonate a guy who replaced him in another band (KC), singing all songs he didn't write, not even a solo spot with one of his own songs... Probably not his dream job, I would guess. It didn't last long, in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Well, a guy who was kind of a star in his own right in the 70s, with a strong body of successful songs of his own, hired to basically impersonate a guy who replaced him in another band (KC), singing all songs he didn't write, not even a solo spot with one of his own songs... Probably not his dream job, I would guess. It didn't last long, in any case.
    Okay. But it's not like anyone forced him to do it or anything. I always thought he was doing a favor for Carl Palmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    They played a gig with Rabin??



    I never understood that. It's not like the stuff he played in Asia was that difficult.
    Don't know if it's difficult or not--and not the point---it's original fresh sounding AOR playing---not typical of typical guitar bands.Not the typical note bending van halen type sound typical of the time.

    Only Time will Tell is a perfect example of tasty guitar parts--thru out the whole song---that are cool original licks---and it's not just a lead solo or strumming the rhythm ---it's the guitar playing the lead thru the whole song. Great song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cazz View Post
    Great to see lake and palmer in a different band together. Is there a DVD of that show?
    It was available on VHS, but I don't think it ever made it to DVD ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    But it's not like anyone forced him to do it or anything.
    I agree. That's why I think he does pretty well, all things considered. He makes the best of a less-than-ideal situation, and it's a good performance.
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    I'm pretty sure Rabin played no live gigs with Asia. That recording is from the studio

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrw View Post
    I'm pretty sure Rabin played no live gigs with Asia. That recording is from the studio
    Agreed. I think the only "live" playing was in the rehearsal studio.

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