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    Quote Originally Posted by spacefreak View Post
    I always use CD plastic sleeves, to protect the sleeveless ones (eco-wallets, miniLP-sized etc).

    https://www.dustygroove.com/item/487047
    Better than nothing for sure, but many times the disc already has scratches on it upon arrival. Thanks for the tip though, I might invest in these.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_32_116 View Post
    I don't think it's necessary to have every CD packaged the same way, but I have got to dislike jewel-cases. There is hardly one in my collection that does not have at least a hairline crack somewhere - and it's not from ill-treatment.

    I will willingly pay a couple of dollars more for a "digi-pak" over a jewel-case. Whenever I look at a digi-pak I am impressed by how much more it looks like a quality product than if it was in one of those cheap looking plastic cases.
    Replaceable jewel case all the way vs the unrepairable digipak disater

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post
    I like digipaks, but the only issue there is when you store them on a shelf, like a book, I find that the top of the spine gets abused.
    actually, wouldn't that be the bottom spine, since it's the one rubbing on the shelf-floor surface?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hobo Chang Ba View Post
    Jewel cases all the way for me. Digipaks are too fragile and can't be replaced. They also don't store as nicely (at least with my terrible haphazard storing system).
    yup...

    BTW, those CD disc-sleeves can be bought

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveSly View Post
    I still buy CD’s and everyone once in a while one will be packaged slightly larger than normal. Unfortunately when this happens it won’t fit into my CD case. A recent example is Anathema album. Great album and great packaging, but it is larger than normal so it won’t fit in my Anathema section. I find it slightly annoying.
    Well, I keep my Mini-Lp disc in a different shelf anyway (kind of sucks in mùy overall filing scheme, but oh well), so any other special format will join that storage

    Quote Originally Posted by Progatron View Post
    I'm not at ALL a fan of the flimsy eco-wallet style of packaging either. They rip very easily and do not protect the disc whatsoever. I'm a sucker for a nice box set or digi-book though!

    when I can't get a disc easily out of the case for fear of damaging it, I'm less inclined to play it.
    While I like them digibook concept, I've found the disc are rather difficultto fit on those big rubber prong.
    As for those cardboards-only things, I find that if they're not 13x13 cm, the disc are difficult to extract without damaging the sleeve.

    Quote Originally Posted by spacefreak View Post
    Another must for CD collectors. Adhesive teeth. Helps with broken digipacks:

    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Adhesive...iglink20252-20
    ok for the temporary repair, but it still sucks, because it's still the same old fragile prongs rosettes.

    What I never understood is why those old trays with fragile prongs are still produced nowadays, when there are much stronger alternatives , where half the prongs are tied/welded together in a solid center (this is valid for transparent trays and black/coloured trays)... Cuneiform seems to have understood this a long time ago, when other labels (Soleil Zeuhl for ex) still use that crappy original system.

    Could also use the DVD or Blue Ray disc-center idea
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    I find digipaks to be irritating, personally, and the cardboard sleeves (meant to emulate LP sleeves) even worse. Much prefer plastic cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spacefreak View Post
    Another must for CD collectors. Adhesive teeth. Helps with broken digipacks:

    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Adhesive...iglink20252-20
    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    ok for the temporary repair, but it still sucks, because it's still the same old fragile prongs rosettes.
    Well, it looks that there are some non-prong alternatives too:

    http://www.cd-spider.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay.Dee View Post
    Well, it looks that there are some non-prong alternatives too:

    http://www.cd-spider.com/
    the top one looks like a Digibook thing, with which I don't have much sympathy either (despite the colour variants), while I've never seen the second system (except maybe for DVD)... in either case, does the thickness of the digipak tray plus the thickness of a CD spider will not create another problem in terms of a bulge and damage to the front cardboard?

    I tried replacing the whole digipak tray with a scalpel knife or Stanley-knife blades to dissociate the cardboard from the plastic, but finding spare trays has proved impossible (so far, back then) and I had to buy cheap crap used digipak CDs just to recuperate the tray and throw the rest away
    my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersonic Scientist View Post
    Wow yeah, I like this idea...I've been wanting to ditch the jewel cases for quite some time now but couldn't come up with a decent answer.

    Thanks...
    I've used something similar. I got mine from a place called The Jazz Loft, which doesn't seem to exist any more, but the same sleeves look as though they are available from here: http://shop.spacesavingsleeves.com/

    What I like about them is that you can keep all of the essential bits of packaging from a jewel case but the space needed is a fraction of the original case. The main downside is that the spine is hard to read. In practice I find that is not a problem as my collection is digitised to FLAC and that is my main means of playing it; the CDs are mainly the backup these days. Also, I have enough CDs scattered amongst the shelves that are in digipack format, boxes, etc., and which are readable, that it is pretty easy to find stuff, based on an alphabetical ordering. (Incidentally, storing my CDs - and my LPs before them - alphabetically has always been completely natural to me. How would I find them otherwise? But it doesn't seem to be the norm in the general population based on many conversations I have had which have left me feeling like some sort of anal retentive/OCD nerd.)

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    Well...

    recently received a cd in cardboard foldover type sleeve and much to my dismay their is some sort of gunk on my cd. Upon further inspection it appears as if the case is starting to unglue itself and I can only conclude this gunk is glue (it is also quite a sticky bastard). Luckily, it's only on the outer edge and doesn't look like it will hinder performance, but goddamn does it annoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cannygoodlike View Post
    (Incidentally, storing my CDs - and my LPs before them - alphabetically has always been completely natural to me. How would I find them otherwise? But it doesn't seem to be the norm in the general population based on many conversations I have had which have left me feeling like some sort of anal retentive/OCD nerd.)
    People with a hundred or two items in their collection can afford to be a bit more flexible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    People with a hundred or two items in their collection can afford to be a bit more flexible.
    My dad has his CD's sorted on label.

    I don't think it will work for me, considering lots of stuff I own is on different labels.

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    We MUST have digipaks! I read in Time magazine in the 70s that global cooling is going to destroy us all! I set off my car's airbag once a week to burn my face with chemicals for warmth. Thank GOD that we've brought malaria back by banning all effective pesticides - I need the fevers to keep me warm!

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    More cowbell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cannygoodlike View Post
    I've used something similar. I got mine from a place called The Jazz Loft, which doesn't seem to exist any more, but the same sleeves look as though they are available from here: http://shop.spacesavingsleeves.com/

    What I like about them is that you can keep all of the essential bits of packaging from a jewel case but the space needed is a fraction of the original case. The main downside is that the spine is hard to read. In practice I find that is not a problem as my collection is digitised to FLAC and that is my main means of playing it; the CDs are mainly the backup these days. Also, I have enough CDs scattered amongst the shelves that are in digipack format, boxes, etc., and which are readable, that it is pretty easy to find stuff, based on an alphabetical ordering. (Incidentally, storing my CDs - and my LPs before them - alphabetically has always been completely natural to me. How would I find them otherwise? But it doesn't seem to be the norm in the general population based on many conversations I have had which have left me feeling like some sort of anal retentive/OCD nerd.)
    Other than (maybe) by year, I can't think of any other way of arranging them. Average track length? Average BPM? Cover artist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halmyre View Post
    Other than (maybe) by year, I can't think of any other way of arranging them. Average track length? Average BPM? Cover artist?
    I started a whole thread about this some time ago. Deciding to arrange them alphabetically is only the start. Does the definite article get ignored, or do The Beatles get filed under 'T' instead of 'B'? Artist's surname, or complete artist name? If using surname, what about bands like Jethro Tull, which although derived from the name of an actual historical figure, is just a band name? What about soundtracks? Does the Blade Runner soundtrack go under 'B', or under 'V' for Vangelis? Classical works filed by composer, or performer? And so on. The more you look, the more complications you find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halmyre View Post
    Other than (maybe) by year, I can't think of any other way of arranging them. Average track length? Average BPM? Cover artist?
    Sort them by bar code, of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halmyre View Post
    Other than (maybe) by year, I can't think of any other way of arranging them. Average track length? Average BPM? Cover artist?
    Archie Patterson (who some of you may know) sorted by the number of releases: bands with four albums, bands with five albums, bands with only a single release. Rob, the guy in the movie High Fidelity, filed by date of purchase.

    Regarding what to file by, alphabetically, the key is to file by whatever you"ll remember. Therefore for me soundtracks go under the movie name (not the composer) while the Beatles Concerto goes under B, not Jeremy Rifkin.

    [Edit - see, I got the composer wrong!]

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_32_116 View Post
    I started a whole thread about this some time ago. Deciding to arrange them alphabetically is only the start. Does the definite article get ignored, or do The Beatles get filed under 'T' instead of 'B'? Artist's surname, or complete artist name? If using surname, what about bands like Jethro Tull, which although derived from the name of an actual historical figure, is just a band name? What about soundtracks? Does the Blade Runner soundtrack go under 'B', or under 'V' for Vangelis? Classical works filed by composer, or performer? And so on. The more you look, the more complications you find.
    Bands I put under band name, without the definite article. I think the only exception to this rule is 'Die Braut Haut Ins Auge', because the lexicon I have, put them there. Artists surname, but if a band is named after an historical figures or novel characters, I use the full name. So Jethro Tull under 'J' and Uriah Heep under 'U'. Composers mostly under the name of the composer, unless the performer is just as important, like Wendy Carlos, or the artist performs works of several composers. Soundtracks under the name of the composer. Tributes and things like that are under the name of the band tributed. And if an artist works with several bands, I tend to put everything under the main artist, which is only the case with Heinz Rudolf Kunze, which is all under 'K', even his latest album, credited to Räuberzivil. Artists who work solo and as part of a band, are seperated. So Todd Rundgren and Utopia, Bap and Wolfgang Niedecken, Roxy Music and Brian Ferry. Pierre Moerlen's Gong is under G, because the first album I own is still credited just as Gong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_32_116 View Post
    I started a whole thread about this some time ago. Deciding to arrange them alphabetically is only the start. Does the definite article get ignored, or do The Beatles get filed under 'T' instead of 'B'? Artist's surname, or complete artist name? If using surname, what about bands like Jethro Tull, which although derived from the name of an actual historical figure, is just a band name? What about soundtracks? Does the Blade Runner soundtrack go under 'B', or under 'V' for Vangelis? Classical works filed by composer, or performer? And so on. The more you look, the more complications you find.
    Nah, it's easy.

    The Beatles, of course, get filed under "B." Always use the artist's surname. Jethro Tull isn't the name of the individual artist, so they're filed under "J." Soundtracks get their own section (either under "S" or at the end of your A-Z discs) and are filed alphabetically, unless they're all an individual artist, in which case they're filed under that artist. File them as you would think to look for them later - do you want to listen to "The Chariots of Fire" soundtrack, or "that soundtrack that Vangelis did?"

    Classical works present a problem. I don't have many, but I file them by composer, usually. The problem is that many classical discs contain more than one work, often not all by the same composer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Bails View Post

    Classical works present a problem. I don't have many, but I file them by composer, usually. The problem is that many classical discs contain more than one work, often not all by the same composer.
    Depends on it. If it's a collection of composers I put them at the end with various artists. Otherwise I put them under the main composer. (The composer I bought them for.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    Depends on it. If it's a collection of composers I put them at the end with various artists. Otherwise I put them under the main composer. (The composer I bought them for.)
    Exactly. There could be a dozen pieces on a classical album, but usually I bought it to get just that one piece by Honegger or Ives or Copland so that's where it files.

    Unless I bought it for the performer, like Rubinstein or Susann McDonald or Rampal, in which case it's under the performer's name.

    Unless it's a series that is more memorable under its series name ("Russian Overtures" or "Songs of Finland").

    Do I lose classical albums I know I have? Yes I do. It helped having a database back when.

    Not just classical either. The other week I could not find my copy of "Enneade." I eventually found it, filed under M -- which made sense after I found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Exactly. There could be a dozen pieces on a classical album, but usually I bought it to get just that one piece by Honegger or Ives or Copland so that's where it files.

    Unless I bought it for the performer, like Rubenstein or Susann McDonald or Rampal, in which case it's under the performer's name.

    Unless it's a series that is more memorable under its series name ("Russian Overtures" or "Songs of Finland").

    Do I lose classical albums I know I have? Yes I do. It helped having a database back when.

    Not just classical either. The other week I could not find my copy of "Enneade." I eventually found it, filed under M -- which made sense when I found it.
    Hard-drive ripping was a godsend to me for classical music organization. Do it right, and the actual album itself become meaningless - you can sort by composer, soloist, orchestra, year, conductor, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Facelift View Post
    Hard-drive ripping was a godsend to me for classical music organization. Do it right, and the actual album itself become meaningless - you can sort by composer, soloist, orchestra, year, conductor, etc.
    Is there an actual ripping software that attaches this information?

    Or does it all have to be hand entered into EVERY SINGLE TRACK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Is there an actual ripping software that attaches this information?

    Or does it all have to be hand entered into EVERY SINGLE TRACK ?
    I use this
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarlberg View Post
    Is there an actual ripping software that attaches this information?

    Or does it all have to be hand entered into EVERY SINGLE TRACK ?
    I don't know if there is software that does this. I do it manually track-by-track. It's drudgery, but I couldn't be happier with the results. For the first time ever, I could visualize my collection in a meaningful way. A variety of meaningful ways, in fact.

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    Yeah, I had that with my old PC-File database (DOS-based, to show you how old it was). I could run reports by the number of jazz albums, reports on albums recorded in France, albums released in Spain, albums over 60 minutes, albums featuring Jaco Pastorius, albums bought used, albums self-released by the artist. Charts of which months I bought the most albums, charts of what year the most albums were recorded, charts of which letters had the most artists.

    It was loads of fun.

    I continued to run it for years under a DOS command line window after moving to Windows.

    Reluctantly I had to give it up when I finally gave up on Windows.

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