When's the Fourth Wave coming? This so-called Third Wave is already over 20 years in.
I'm ready!!!
When's the Fourth Wave coming? This so-called Third Wave is already over 20 years in.
I'm ready!!!
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There are too many bands now.
The ratio of fans/bands seems to be 1/100 if not 1/1000. The artists ARE the audience.
There are many good bands and albums these days, but no meaningful consensus on any of them.
There was a thread here not long ago, about a new band from, I think it was Boston. Female singer/keyboardist and I think the bassist was a lady as well. Several videos of them got posted. They are really good. I for one have completely forgotten their name. And they don't deserve to be buried and forgotten before their name is off the tongue, but that seems to be where we are these days.
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I think the Big 5 (or 6 if you prefer) are somewhat classified that way because they were not just among the most innovated but most popular of prog bands in that first go-round of prog. The problem with defining a new big 5 is that there really are no extremely popular prog bands today. Bands like Radiohead or Mars Volta are not uniformly considered prog so I wouldn't create a big 5 list with them. If you want to talk about "popular just within prog circles", then you have an even bigger problem because there are a lot of prog bands that have large followings within prog such that I doubt you'd find very many people who would agree to the same 5. So I don't think we can create such a list anymore. Its hard enough for people to agree on a 70s Big 5 but today it would probably be impossible.
That said, Mike Keneally and Phideaux MUST BE on the modern Big 5 list. (I say that just because I know they read the forum)
The first band I thought of was Muse. You can debate whether or not they are prog, but they are at least prog influenced and play huge stadiums.
Although Anathema doesn’t draw much here in the U.S. they play pretty big venues in Europe don’t they?
Can’t think of many others that are above club level for drawing power that started after 2002.
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What about King Crimson?
no tunes, no dynamics, no nosebone
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
If I chose a "Big 5" in terms of influence and visibility, and are still active. And not so much that they formed or released music before 2003, but their most well known or breakthrough records in a lot of ways, came in 2003 or after.
-Between the Buried and Me: breakthrough was 2007's "Colors"
-Coheed and Cambria: breakthrough was 2005's "Good Apollo I'm Burning Star IV"
-The Decemberists: breakthrough was 2006's "The Crane Wife"
-Muse: breakthrough was 2003's "Absolution
-Mastodon: breakthrough was 2009's "Crack the Skye"
Ian
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
My first exposure to Muse was that song (can't recall the title) that sounds like Blondie's "Call Me" with bits of Gary Glitter mixed in. My reaction was "WTF? This is a PROG band?"
I later learned that their earlier albums were regarded by many as progressive,
Seeing as I can't think of any other than Muse I'm going to throw out a personal Big 6, none of whom meet the sales number but meet the 2003 date.
elephant9
Upsilon Acrux
Jack O The Clock
Yugen
Nik Bartsch Ronin
Alec K Redfearn & The Eyesores
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Gordon Haskell - "You've got to keep the groove in your head and play a load of bollocks instead"
I blame Wynton, what was the question?
There are only 10 types of people in the World, those who understand binary and those that don't.
Muse's first album came out in 1999, they don't qualify.
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Where did you learn this? First, TP are absolutely not "very much RIO" - quite the contrary; to the extent that they are RIO at all, they're completely untypical. Secondly, In Extremis, from what I understand, remains one of the most popular releases Steve F. has ever issued. You might not want to know this, but TP have actually done better than surprisingly many artists whom you - from your viewpoint - would perhaps deem "more established".
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
ok, found more... add these to my personal 'big 6 of the new millenium'
KBB
Ske
Pochakaite Malko
Accordo Dei Contrari
Future Kings of England
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
I'm not sure there really is any artist that strictly meets the criteria in the OP (and I don't think there is "Big 5/6/7 etc" from the last 10 years), but I think the following bands may be close:
Haken
Riverside
Leprous
Beardfish
Karnivool
The Dear Hunter
Since one of the main characteristics of modern prog music is heaviness, other pretendents may possibly be found in tech/extreme/post-hardcore/metalcore/etc. genres, but I know little of who is who there.
Last edited by mogilevs; 09-16-2015 at 03:55 AM.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Would Ali Neander fit the bill?
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The short answer is "open to interpretation". I mainly put that in the criteria so people would not feel they had to stick to "cookie cutter symph". In fact, I think if there's a list to be had, it would consist of artists like Umphrey's and Mars Volta, which steer away from what people typically think of when the last list was groups like PTree and Spock's Beard.
WANTED: Sig-worthy quote.
On the surface, yes. However we are talking about 12 years here. That should be quite a bit of time to draw from one would think. That said, I'm not surprised at all people are having difficulties.
Animals as Leaders are certainly something to consider, but I honestly don't know them well enough to grasp their popularity and impact.
I think if the criteria was relaxed a little more, you could put Muse on this list since Absolution was really their breakout album back in 2003.
I can't imagine Gazpacho sells many units or having an impact/influence on the scene. Unitopia - can't figure that one out. Big Big Train and Glass Hammer were putting out records way before 2003.
So that leave The Pineapple Thief. As they are likely one of the more successful bands now they are on K-Scope, one could at least put their hat in the ring. But I question their success and their impact. If they had an audience outside of proggers (do they? I honestly don't know), that would help. If you have ever seen a TPT thread on PE, they typically sink after 5-10 responses.
Umphrey's was obvious to me as well. 2002 for their first release shouldn't be held against them.
WANTED: Sig-worthy quote.
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