Roger Waters' "The Wall" film

[ronmac]

Roger and Billy Joel must have had a talk about how to live completely on past glories. Nice work if you can get it but I would love to see something new from both of them.

You mean, together, right?

Something like "Scenes from Alan's Psychedelic Italian Breakfast"?

[MYSTERIOUS TRAVELLER]

the Wall show is much more impressive nowadays than it was in 1980... the only thing missing nowadays would be Dave, Nick & Rick

Well, The Wall wasn't a "band" album like Wish You Were Here, so Pink Floyd isn't needed to pull it off really

[rael74]

Well, The Wall wasn't a "band" album like Wish You Were Here, so Pink Floyd isn't needed to pull it off really

I understand what you are saying, but disagree.

Although the Wall is certainly Roger's vision, I think that without doubt it is Gilmour who makes the album sound so good.
His playing dominates almost every track on it, his singing and harmonies are sublime throughout, and he wrote the best tracks on it.

The Wall divides opinion probably more than any other album.
I can totally understand someone saying it is an overblown, depressing slog and although it is not my favourite Floyd album, perhaps after Dark Side, I think it is their best.

[uribreitman]

This "Wall" tour has been bootlegged by dedicated fans, so there will be no big surprise with the footage.
However, since most of the band members are either gone or close to retirement, this is the last supper for Pink Floyd disciples.

[jamesmanzi]

Yeah, but it still makes him look like a hypocrite when he does the exact same thing he accused Gilmour, Wright and Mason of doing.

I swear, at least 90% of the content of the internet is people dredging up some old crap someone said or did, comparing it to something they recently said or did, and declaring them a hypocrite.

Two questions:

1) What satisfaction do you get from this?

2) Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

[Tangram]

You mean, together, right?

Something like "Scenes from Alan's Psychedelic Italian Breakfast"?

[jlneudorf]

I swear, at least 90% of the content of the internet is people dredging up some old crap someone said or did, comparing it to something they recently said or did, and declaring them a hypocrite.

Two questions:

1) What satisfaction do you get from this?

2) Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

Thank you, it does get tiresome.

Regards,
Jon

[zombywoof]

I don't necessarily agree with something I felt 15 minutes ago.

[BigSixFan]

I swear, at least 90% of the content of the internet is people dredging up some old crap someone said or did, comparing it to something they recently said or did, and declaring them a hypocrite.

Two questions:

1) What satisfaction do you get from this?

2) Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

So yo believe he finally embraced the cold, hard fact that he is an extremely wealthy capitalist with huge guilt?

Bob

[jamesmanzi]

So yo believe he finally embraced the cold, hard fact that he is an extremely wealthy capitalist with huge guilt?

Bob

Did anything I said suggest that?

[jamesmanzi]

I don't necessarily agree with something I felt 15 minutes ago.

I don't necessarily remember something I agreed with 15 minutes ago.

[Jeremy Bender]

What satisfaction do you get from this?

It makes me feel superior whilst also obscuring my own instances of changing tastes that don't reflect well on me and my double standards.

Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

No, of course not, but thinking about stuff I felt 15 years ago (or more), I still feel that:

ELP from 1970-74 is my favorite band ever (I've felt this since ca. 1975)
The Grateful Dead are really really really boring and Deadheads as a subculture are to be avoided like the bubonic plague
With the exception of a few songs that Genesis sucks goat balls after Gabriel left
The stuff that Genesis did *with* Gabriel is the least interesting of the Big 5/6/7 prog bands by light years
The music of composers like Telemann, Vivaldi and Haydn isn't listenable at all, they were note factories
Mozart is overall the greatest composer who has ever lived (though I don't listen to his music unless it's played on the classical station I listen to in my car)
20th century and onwards orchestral music and opera is vastly superior to the stuff from the baroque and classical eras
Jazz fusion not called The Mahavishnu Orchestra still bores me to tears
The Beatles are the greatest, most influential rock band ever and always will be
Pink Floyd after Animals don't interest me in the slightest
Magma is the best comedy band ever
Marillion with Steve Hogarth is vastly superior to Marillion with Derek Dick

Hope that helps.

[ItalProgRules]

Magma is the best comedy band ever


Heh. And here I thought I was the only one.

[jamesmanzi]

It makes me feel superior whilst also obscuring my own instances of changing tastes that don't reflect well on me and my double standards.


No, of course not, but thinking about stuff I felt 15 years ago (or more), I still feel that:

ELP from 1970-74 is my favorite band ever (I've felt this since ca. 1975)
The Grateful Dead are really really really boring and Deadheads as a subculture are to be avoided like the bubonic plague
With the exception of a few songs that Genesis sucks goat balls after Gabriel left
The stuff that Genesis did *with* Gabriel is the least interesting of the Big 5/6/7 prog bands by light years
The music of composers like Telemann, Vivaldi and Haydn isn't listenable at all, they were note factories
Mozart is overall the greatest composer who has ever lived (though I don't listen to his music unless it's played on the classical station I listen to in my car)
20th century and onwards orchestral music and opera is vastly superior to the stuff from the baroque and classical eras
Jazz fusion not called The Mahavishnu Orchestra still bores me to tears
The Beatles are the greatest, most influential rock band ever and always will be
Pink Floyd after Animals don't interest me in the slightest
Magma is the best comedy band ever
Marillion with Steve Hogarth is vastly superior to Marillion with Derek Dick

Hope that helps.

It helps greatly! I will be closely monitoring your future posts, in case you contradict any of these statements and out yourself as a hypocrite.

[Jeremy Bender]

It helps greatly! I will be closely monitoring your future posts, in case you contradict any of these statements and out yourself as a hypocrite.

Be my guest, but you'll be wasting your time. I only typed out stuff that I have zero, nada, nichts, zilch ambiguity about. I'm not going to hear Köhntarkösz and suddenly think "Oh. my. god. I can't believe I didn't like it when I heard it back in the 70's! Woe is me!". Stuff like....

Works Vol. 1: Merely not as good as the 70-74 stuff or a major step down for a once great band?
Love Beach: Worst album by one of the Big 5/6/7 or not a bad album that's gotten flack more for the risible cover and title song than the rest of the music?
Yes' Awaken: Brilliant for the first 5:22, meandering piffle with embarrassing lyrics (even for Jon Anderson) for the next 10:15?
Is Melt or Security Peter Gabriel's best solo effort?
Mahavishnu Orchestra's Apocalypse: Wonderful fusion of jazz, rock and orchestral music or bombastic nonsense?

etc. etc. I'm open to changing my mind.

[GuitarGeek]

Magma is the best comedy band ever


Heh. And here I thought I was the only one.

Funny, I always thought The Pixies, Nirvana and indeed most of the rest of the "alternative" brigade of bands were great comedy bands.

[Jeremy Bender]

Funny, I always thought The Pixies, Nirvana and indeed most of the rest of the "alternative" brigade of bands were great comedy bands.

Given that I wouldn't trade the first two bars (the F-Bb-Ab-Db chord progression) from Smell Likes Teen Spirit for every note that Magma has ever played --studio, live or in their heads-- that's not going to find much sympathy from me.

Nirvana are Rock Gods for killing off hair metal once and for all, that's a start, plus there was a really good songwriting vibe from Kurt Cobain (despite all the criticisms that can be made about how those songs were presented). The Pixies first four albums are fantastic albums of guitar rock. Pearl Jam's Ten is a masterpiece, I love this song (and it's fun to jam to):



Alice in Chains were a fantastic band with a great lead singer (RIP Layne), their first two albums are great records. I love this song (and it's a great music video), I wish Layne had survived long enough for them to pursue this direction more:



Soundgarden were terrific back then too, they even *gasp* have a song in 5/4 that actually rocks instead of sounding like so much prog: "Uh oh, we've gone 12 measures without a time sig change, 5/4 stat!":



For the British slant, I love the first two Suede albums, Blur's discography except the first one (Modern Life Is Rubbish a favorite album), the first two Oasis albums (Champagne Supernova is in my all time Top 20), Ride (good to see them reform, hope they come back to Los Angeles when I have money) and so on.

Mileage may vary widely, of course.

[Luis Nasser]

I swear, at least 90% of the content of the internet is people dredging up some old crap someone said or did, comparing it to something they recently said or did, and declaring them a hypocrite.

Two questions:

1) What satisfaction do you get from this?

2) Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

Fuckin A! Can we get an Amen...?

[ThomasKDye]

Are you really, honestly telling me that everything you say or do today is totally in line with how you felt about or approached those things 15 years ago?

Probably not diametrically OPPOSITE…

If you don't come out and say "I was wrong," you still own your past.

[rael74]

Raving and drooling...

[TheLoony]

Just to add a couple:

You bought the DVD of the film!
You bought the Berlin CD!
You bought the official "The Wall" memorial piece of the Berlin Wall!

Is there an In the Flesh 2cd set?

Yeah, but have you ever taken(or left) a piss into a urinal built into a piece of the Berlin Wall? Of course, only in Vegas something that tacky could exist. Although, I did it a few months ago and a bunch of guys from somewhere in Europe thought it was pretty cool.

[JKL2000]

Given that I wouldn't trade the first two bars (the F-Bb-Ab-Db chord progression) from Smell Likes Teen Spirit for every note that Magma has ever played --studio, live or in their heads-- that's not going to find much sympathy from me.

Nirvana are Rock Gods for killing off hair metal once and for all, that's a start, plus there was a really good songwriting vibe from Kurt Cobain (despite all the criticisms that can be made about how those songs were presented). The Pixies first four albums are fantastic albums of guitar rock. Pearl Jam's Ten is a masterpiece, I love this song (and it's fun to jam to):



Alice in Chains were a fantastic band with a great lead singer (RIP Layne), their first two albums are great records. I love this song (and it's a great music video), I wish Layne had survived long enough for them to pursue this direction more:



Soundgarden were terrific back then too, they even *gasp* have a song in 5/4 that actually rocks instead of sounding like so much prog: "Uh oh, we've gone 12 measures without a time sig change, 5/4 stat!":



For the British slant, I love the first two Suede albums, Blur's discography except the first one (Modern Life Is Rubbish a favorite album), the first two Oasis albums (Champagne Supernova is in my all time Top 20), Ride (good to see them reform, hope they come back to Los Angeles when I have money) and so on.

Mileage may vary widely, of course.

I'd kill all those bands just so Magma could play one song.

[Trane]

Maybe he got tired of his solo material being ignored or outright savaged and decided to finally give in and do what *most* fans wanted of him.

big interview in the Belgian newspaper Le Soir

Waters is halfway though writing & recording his new solo album (no details, but says between 12 & 18 months of release date)

Waters disliked sooooo much Blair's New Tory party that he prefers liberalism (the european style, not the lerftyist US definition) to its "socialist alternative". OK, he admits the Tory stopped being a "real left" as soon as Maggie Bitcher stepped into office, but he only realized it once the Blairites got into power. I must admit that having read Jonathan Coe's Closed Crcle (this is Rotter's Club sequel, happening in the Blair era), he's got a good point.

Despite feeling better protected by European democracies (I think he means this in terms of protection of privacy), he prefers living in NY (where "there are 4 real seasons") to London's mushy weather >> he admits it's absurd, be assumes.

[whatwherewhywhen]

, he prefers living in NY (where "there are 4 real seasons") to London's mushy weather >> he admits it's absurd, be assumes.

London! Doesn't he have a an estate out in the countryside somewhere with his fox hunting pals.

[GuitarGeek]

Well, The Wall wasn't a "band" album like Wish You Were Here, so Pink Floyd isn't needed to pull it off really

You certainly need a bad ass guitarist who can wail as effectively as Gilmour did on the original, as well as a keyboardist who can pull off the Run Like Hell solo. Especially on sides three and four, that's half the point of listening to the album, the guitar and synth solos.