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    Mr. Kevin Wailey, narcotics officer went undercover , entered the high school posed like a hippie wana be , gained the confidence of 30 or more teenagers so he could bust them all in one shot. A full story of the bust was covered and featured on page 1 of the Vineland Times Journal. This occurred between 73' and 75' and the picture on the front of the newspaper displayed lines of teenagers escorted by police . Wailey wore a denim jacket and pretended to be everyone's friend. He smoked dope with kids, gaining their trust and proceeded to sell it to them. In Vineland we had a problem with cults in the 60's and 70's. Missing children, a Satan cult killing, S.R.A. victims and the whole lifestyle just exploded in Vineland along with serious police investigations and the act of bringing in a religious community of people to be residents there and roam the streets trying to convert every kid walking home from school. 90 teenage devil worship were deprogrammed by a pastor in our yuppie town in 1971. The police spent 2 years interrogating members of a Satan worshippers sect who they claimed were responsible for corrupting the youth in our town, but the newspapers tried endlessly to give everyone in town the impression that the inquest into widespread cultic activity revolved around fads. They hassled many of us in school, going on and on about the most moronic observations about the first Black Sabbath album and the usage of Marijuana. As if to say that worshipping Satan was a invention of our own. I used to tell them to go out and find the real problem....you're Satan worshippers sect or no one cares to hear about it. So 90 teenage Devil worshippers are deprogrammed and their whole concern is with Marijuana and our music. I had to deal with it everyday . Their position was moronic.
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    Never heard of kratom. According to wikipedia:

    Side effects associated with chronic kratom use include loss of appetite and weight loss, constipation, and darkening of the skin color of the face. Chronic use has been associated with bowel obstruction. Chronic users have also reported withdrawal symptoms including irritability, runny nose and diarrhea. Withdrawal is generally short-lived and mild, and it may be effectively treated with dihydrocodeine and lofexidine.

    "darkening of the skin color of the face"

    interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enid View Post
    Being stoned while listening to Univers Zero is completely harmless if you have a head for music. Playing their music on an instrument while stoned and expecting to perform it accurately is another situation completely. On the other hand, Rick Derringer is a very skilled guitarist who has been in and out of recording studios for decades and being under the influence does not affect his abilities to perform his job accurately. It is much easier to play a guitar solo by Larry Carlton or Elliot Randell off of a Steely Dan record while under the influence as opposed to playing a Pat Metheny solo.....or a complex composition by John McLaughlin from The Heart Of Things. It solely depends on what you are being asked to play. I would not recommend attempting a Classical guitar solo written by Steve Howe, Steve Hackett, or Anthony Phillips, where dexterity is a must, let alone any Classical piece transcribed for guitar by Christopher Parkening or Andrea Segovia. This drug works against the ability to obtain perfection and in many cases would NOT accommodate a musician to accurately perform Progressive Rock compositions written by Anglagard, The Enid, or Univers Zero, where the devotion of practice time already exceeds beyond the average musician who writes simple or much less complex music.
    I think there are factors that people don't seem to be aware of. First, it maybe true that working hard is most productive, if playing hard has preceded it as recreation time. Since cannabinoids are government patented neural protectants, the consumption of these are good for the health of the brain. However, the smoking of marihuana involves inhalation of Carbon monoxide which displaces oxygen in the blood, and thus not a positive effect on performance. However, the smart people don't smoke, they consume edibles or vape. Furthermore, the relative compositon of THC, CBD and CBN can provide different sorts of highs. Ultimately, the good concentration of CBD will reduce inflammation which could make it more fun to play an instrument and CBD by itself doesn't get you high. CBD in the mix with THC will offset the anxiety that THC can cause. Living in a state that labels and tests the products by licensed producers makes it possible to live a healthy relationship with cannibis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    I think there are factors that people don't seem to be aware of. First, it maybe true that working hard is most productive, if playing hard has preceded it as recreation time. Since cannabinoids are government patented neural protectants, the consumption of these are good for the health of the brain. However, the smoking of marihuana involves inhalation of Carbon monoxide which displaces oxygen in the blood, and thus not a positive effect on performance. However, the smart people don't smoke, they consume edibles or vape. Furthermore, the relative compositon of THC, CBD and CBN can provide different sorts of highs. Ultimately, the good concentration of CBD will reduce inflammation which could make it more fun to play an instrument and CBD by itself doesn't get you high. CBD in the mix with THC will offset the anxiety that THC can cause. Living in a state that labels and tests the products by licensed producers makes it possible to live a healthy relationship with cannibis.
    Interesting indeed!

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    This is off thread, but I have always had a problem digesting the pressures set upon me in my youth to smoke this crap. I never wanted to grow my hair long just because hippies did and disliked the overall assumption that "everybody must get stoned". My sister had many hippie friends and the year that "Sunshine Of Your Love" was released ..the typical vision that many people had regarding pressures to smoke dope from the "in crowd" was by far of the most ridiculous extreme measures that I have ever witnessed in my life. Not a request, but a demand to be cool and fit in. The fact that years later many ex-revolutionaries cut their hair and held positions as record executives, creating an establishment of their own that was ten times worse than the one they rebelled against in 1969, only confirmed my original suspicions of these people. People who praised art form in music...such as 20 minute epics or concept albums or jamming...were now demanding that songs be shortened to 3 minutes. I still resent the drug thing..because of how a person's character would be pigeon holed by a police officer. It wasn't my problem that a bunch of stupid people decided to grow their hair long, wear bell bottom jeans, swing their hair in their face looking spaced out and gain the reputation of being a reject to society in 1969. I wanted to be myself, but apparently that was asking for too much individuality. I had to get in line like everyone else and have my pockets searched in high school. I stood next to kids who were also innocent of these drug crimes and they thought it was moronic and beyond insulting. We used to try Marijuana..but never carried it around or bought it. It is now assumed in today's world that most people growing up in the 60's or 70's smoked pot and that is ignorant. If you had a sinus problem in 1971, you really didn't have a good "over the counter" drug for your condition. The drugs that were available made you dizzy, your eyes swelled up and teared..and as a result ..police thought you were high. It was all about interrogation that revolved around a generation of people high on dope and I didn't belong to that generation. Now it's supposedly legal and I have no respect for the entire A to Z process of when the drug became famous in the 60's and 70's, let alone some half bent theory developed from their investigations into the obvious signs in a person's eyes or their display of actions...such as body language..which is all B.S. It was almost as extreme as their belief that a child always tells the truth in a court of law. When we were kids, we all lied to get someone in trouble that we hated. It wasn't "everybody must get stoned"..it was "everybody must be high"
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    A non-drugged brain would look like the illustration on the left. But a brain on psilocybin, as shown in the illustration on the right, would look quite different. The regional circles along the edges would be darker to represent the uptick in activity inside each of them. Similarly, the multicolored lines across the brain would multiply and get thicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    A non-drugged brain would look like the illustration on the left. But a brain on psilocybin, as shown in the illustration on the right, would look quite different. The regional circles along the edges would be darker to represent the uptick in activity inside each of them. Similarly, the multicolored lines across the brain would multiply and get thicker.

    Would like to have this as a poster, bring it to gigs, and remind everyone what they are doing to themselves...or maybe just set it up on stage and let them figure it out on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enid View Post
    Would like to have this as a poster, bring it to gigs, and remind everyone what they are doing to themselves...or maybe just set it up on stage and let them figure it out on their own.
    Yes, everyone wants to be preached at during a concert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Yes, everyone wants to be preached at during a concert.
    Stock answer from the opposing viewpoint (I'm on your side of the fence, Ron):

    "Well they may not want it. That doesn't matter if (we think) they need it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    A buddy of mine was also scared shitless on hearing that opening bugle in Steve Miller Band's "Song for Our Ancestors" while on magic mushrooms - although the piece soon converted into what he called the "greatest release of his hallucinogenic career".
    That's because it is. that whole album is psychedelic genius, IMO. Under-rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enid View Post
    This is off thread, but I have always had a problem digesting the pressures set upon me in my youth to smoke this crap. I never wanted to grow my hair long just because hippies did and disliked the overall assumption that "everybody must get stoned". My sister had many hippie friends and the year that "Sunshine Of Your Love" was released ..the typical vision that many people had regarding pressures to smoke dope from the "in crowd" was by far of the most ridiculous extreme measures that I have ever witnessed in my life. Not a request, but a demand to be cool and fit in. The fact that years later many ex-revolutionaries cut their hair and held positions as record executives, creating an establishment of their own that was ten times worse than the one they rebelled against in 1969, only confirmed my original suspicions of these people. People who praised art form in music...such as 20 minute epics or concept albums or jamming...were now demanding that songs be shortened to 3 minutes. I still resent the drug thing..because of how a person's character would be pigeon holed by a police officer. It wasn't my problem that a bunch of stupid people decided to grow their hair long, wear bell bottom jeans, swing their hair in their face looking spaced out and gain the reputation of being a reject to society in 1969. I wanted to be myself, but apparently that was asking for too much individuality. I had to get in line like everyone else and have my pockets searched in high school. I stood next to kids who were also innocent of these drug crimes and they thought it was moronic and beyond insulting. We used to try Marijuana..but never carried it around or bought it. It is now assumed in today's world that most people growing up in the 60's or 70's smoked pot and that is ignorant. If you had a sinus problem in 1971, you really didn't have a good "over the counter" drug for your condition. The drugs that were available made you dizzy, your eyes swelled up and teared..and as a result ..police thought you were high. It was all about interrogation that revolved around a generation of people high on dope and I didn't belong to that generation. Now it's supposedly legal and I have no respect for the entire A to Z process of when the drug became famous in the 60's and 70's, let alone some half bent theory developed from their investigations into the obvious signs in a person's eyes or their display of actions...such as body language..which is all B.S. It was almost as extreme as their belief that a child always tells the truth in a court of law. When we were kids, we all lied to get someone in trouble that we hated. It wasn't "everybody must get stoned"..it was "everybody must be high"
    Everybody in Colarado will have a choice, if they have gotten high on cannabis, and either they need to not be high or less high, they can take Mary's Rescue Tonic which is CBD based. CBD is derived from cannabis but doesn't get you high, it calms anxiety and in children, seizures. Extremely safe and should be over the counter. CBD counters the effects of THC and much pot in the 70s had a component of it, but less likely now.

    http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/...erconsumption/

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    I recommend anyone interested in the legalization subject to check out a documentary called "The Culture High". Last I checked, they have it on Netflix. The implications for society could be pretty far-reaching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasmatopia View Post
    I recommend anyone interested in the legalization subject to check out a documentary called "The Culture High". Last I checked, they have it on Netflix. The implications for society could be pretty far-reaching.
    Compared to alcohol?
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    Not sure what you're asking, Ron. The doc suggests legalizing MJ could end up gutting the for-profit prison system and nearly end the "war on drugs" in one fell swoop. Not a bad thing if you ask me.
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    Not sure what you're asking, Ron. The doc suggests legalizing MJ could end up gutting the for-profit prison system and nearly end the "war on drugs" in one fell swoop. Not a bad thing if you ask me.
    Well, I wasn't sure what cultural implications you were referring to. I figured it was the same ones people use in defense against legalization that fall flat when compared to the social implications of alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Well, I wasn't sure what cultural implications you were referring to. I figured it was the same ones people use in defense against legalization that fall flat when compared to the social implications of alcohol.
    Now let's see them justify killing this
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    Christie takes up for the mob:

    http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/...-if-president/

    Is NJ that stupid?

    Christie to crack down on states that legalized. I'm not a Democrat (I am a 1800 Democratic-Republican), but I will vote Democrat if CC is on that ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    Christie takes up for the mob:

    http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/...-if-president/

    Is NJ that stupid?

    Christie to crack down on states that legalized. I'm not a Democrat (I am a 1800 Democratic-Republican), but I will vote Democrat if CC is on that ticket.
    Don't worry. He's not running. He has done nothing to indicate that he is. He is only looking for relevance. Otherwise, he would be acting more seriously. If he has his eyes on the White house, he'll do it when he thinks he has a shot at it, which isn't now. Quite frankly, I don't think he'll ever have a shot at is. He has too much baggage. But, he will drop just enough hints to enable him to bask in the speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    Now let's see them justify killing this
    http://www.thedailychronic.net/2015/...ol-in-vermont/
    Yeah, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by progeezer View Post
    UPDATE!!!!

    I just ordered 60 Thunder God Vine capsules to check Kratom out.
    So, did you get a chance to test it yet? If so, how is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by at least 100 dead View Post
    So, did you get a chance to test it yet? If so, how is it?
    Honestly, I haven't said anything because I took the recommended # of capsules for first-timers a month ago and zip, zilch, nada.

    I'm still too busy with Kay's estate & getting the house ready for an estate sale/listing the house, etc. to revisit right now. Once my life slows down some, I will.

    Besides, I still have !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmac View Post
    Yes, everyone wants to be preached at during a concert.
    Neal Morse fans, maybe.
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    @progeezer: Thanks for the feedback, sir. Maybe the double dose might do the trick then…or not.
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    When I was young I used to get so into music when high, bands like Floyd, Maiden, Sabbath, Rush etc. but these days I can't get into tunes when under the influence for some reason, very strange. In fact I don't even get on the computer usually when i'm high. TV is my thing apparently when i'm buzzed.
    While I agree with what's happened in Washington and Colorado I watched a new show called High Profits(I think) from Colorado about a couple who opened up a store selling weed and the taxes are so high on that shit that they have to sell a gram for 25 dollars which isn't surprising when the governments involved, I just am surprised they get customers when they could get it from their dealer for way less. An ounce(28 grams) up here is 200 dollars, big difference. Still it would be nice not to have to worry about being charged by the cops.
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