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Never much cared for the guitar on this. Otherwise, pretty good but not one I reach for all that often
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I bought this about twenty years ago, listened to it once or twice and put it away until yesterday!!! Thank you for encouraging me to revisit this one as I absolutely fell in love with the dark keyboards and pseudo-goth feel. What else have I dismissed too early?
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oh man, I adore Melos, YS ain't even close.
Well said. I think this is something that gets lost, since so many prog bands and pretty much the entire neo-prog revival took something from the Genesis end of the spectrum. Van der Graaf were possibly more popular in Italy at the time than they were at home (Genesis were equally huge, but did not have the same sonic impact on other bands). And it really was the early King Crimson sound that combined both the crunching riffs and the pastoral.
FWIW, I think this is a classic of the Italian prog canon, but for whatever reason fails to make it to the upper echelon of my favorites. Probably just outside of the top 10
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No, it's actually the exact opposite; "big six" are totally and utterly untouchable, therefore that which comes closest to those MUST be the best around (although, by Goodness, never *AS* great as the biggies, of course - I mean, where would we go then?). Check Big Big Brain whatever.
Again; I hear nothing done by "big six" bands to match the intensity level of, say, Cervello or IBdB. It's sad, it's traumatic, but there you go.
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"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
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Well, LN had a habit of reminding us / shitting in every thread possible about his issues with Yes post their heyday
And he'd always drop that in when called on it
At a certain point, we get it, you don't like them any more
On a positive note, you obviously recognize them as the standard, that all should be measured against
: )
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"When Yes appeared on stage, it was like, the gods appearing from the heavens, deigning to play in front of the people."
Hoi-hoi. First: I know perfectly well about Luis N. But no, I don't get "like him" just because I have now - on this one single occasion - pointed to a couple of examples where an otherwise unknown artist (one of which happens to be the object of this thread) displays a trait which in my personal opinion is superior to Your Untouchable God. Note: I didn't write that IBdB or Cervello were "better" - I pointed to a certain aspect which I preferred with them.
"We get it, you don't like them anymore" - WTF? I just pointed out that I still like Your God but that I used to love him! There's no "Luis Nasser impulse" at play here, consciously or unconsciously, I can assure you! And from where do you pull the "we get it"? Who are those "we"? You'n'all else?
Yes, I like yes. And on occasion I still listen to some of their stuff. But no, I don't love them anymore - see? It's possible to love them and LOSE the love! Oh no!
Best to get over it.
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
Well, I guess you told me!
I just seem to remember perusing a few threads where you mocked the "big-6" and then earlier here you called out the Affirmatives specifically in a thread that had nothing to do with them
Seemed strange is all
Glad you still "like" them : )
BG
"When Yes appeared on stage, it was like, the gods appearing from the heavens, deigning to play in front of the people."
I have NEVER "mocked" any of the "bigs" - I have questioned the legitimacy of how the very idea of those "bigs" are at all times expected to serve as some kind of untouchable or objective pinnacle by which everything else should measure. And hey - you just confirmed it!
I guess that if I'd called out one of the other "bigs" instead of yours then it would be Freddy Buffin or Teddy Muffin coming in to rebuff my bluff and go "Hey, Genesis/ELP/Tull/Deyss were the best at absolutely all they did, even their farts were golden! Are you completely heartless?"
My Yanagita-relation to the "big six" here:
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Scrotum rules! That somehow doesn't sound right.
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Fascinating and crazy stuff. My initial reaction was, "This is what you might have gotten if Keith Emerson and Freddie Mercury had been the same person." Gianni has the over-the-top chops and love for musical extremes of the first, plus the voice (and private life) of the second.
Haven't listened to it for a couple of years, and only heard the CD reissue. But I remember thinking that it had serious pacing problems - 9/10 of it was really powerful and intense, then it wimped out and ended with a couple of pop songs. But eventually I realized that those were "bonus tracks" and not originally part of Ys at all.
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Scissor dude, the "big 5 Symph bands" are only the big 5 in sales. They moved the most product. They were the most POPular. They are Pop Prog compared to any other Prog artist whether they be Symph, Fusion, Avant, Zuehl or Canterbury because they were the biggest sellers of product. That's all. The majority love them the most because they sold the most and are known by the most. Tons of Prog music is better than "the big 5 Symph bands" but they did not sell. They weren't as POPular. Everyone knows Squire's band, but not everyone knows <insert better artist here> because the POPular bands have to be safer by nature in order to move more product.
The "big 5 Symph bands" were not "big" as in 'they did better music' (cause they certainly are nowhere near as good or exciting to listen to than some of the obscure stuff) they are "big" cause everyone knows who they are. POPular doesn't mean better. As far as I'm concerned, there aren't many Genesis tunes that hold my attention at all. YES do slightly better but are still very pedestrian sounding compared many of to the Italian Symph bands and definitely more pedestrian than artists in other Prog styles.
The "big 5 of Symph" are the Justin Biebers of Prog. Anyone who has dug deep into the vast ocean of Prog music knows that.
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
What a load of self righteous bullshit - I wouldn't even know where to begin
Wow
BG
"When Yes appeared on stage, it was like, the gods appearing from the heavens, deigning to play in front of the people."
Isn't there room for both the more well-known and the more obscure?
Not everything by the ballyhooed bigs is an unassailable classic. Nor are all the prognoscenti-championed "better-thans" necessarily all they're cracked up to be. It's all a matter of opinion, which is why threads like this tend to become eye-rollers when those opinions are presented as if they were "facts".
I was listening yesterday to a collection of pieces by Ralph Vaughan-Williams that, for a bit of perspective, pretty much puts ALL so-called "prog" to utter harmonic shame. But then, that would just be my opinion.
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Not sure what is still collecting dust over there, but in terms of slightly more obscure but just fantastic albums make sure to revisit:
Osanna - Palepoli
Alusa Fallax - Intorno all mia.....
Cervello - Melos
Citta Frontale
Picchio dal Pozzo - Abbiamo tutti....
Those are all winners and I couldn't do without them these days, especially the Osanna and Cervello. Glad you reconnected with Ys
Funny - I engaged in a RVW binge yesterday meself (Thomas Tallis, London Symph (2), Symph 3 - 5) and yes, you are not too far off He has become one of my favorite composers in the last 5 or so years, and many folks would devour his music if they invested a little time and energy.
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Of course
Love to see Citta on your list, that is one of my very favorite RPI's, very under rated, I love the blend on Italian folk influences with an Osanna like edge - it's fantastic
Playing "Uno" right now, another great Osanna off-shoot
I'm sure I will love it, but man, every Osanna disc the past 15 years has at least some 70's song, reworked / re-recorded, doesn't it?
Love what Sophia Bachinni adds as an example on some of these, but I'm interested to see how much of this is "new", and how much is the original one, reworked
Palepoli is stone cold, I'm looking forward in any case
For me they are the darlings of the genre, an amazing 4 LP run through Landscape, and another good one and scads of offshoots
I'd like to put out there that Osanna is the standard that any RPI act should be held to, just as Yes would be for the genre overall
For me, anyway : )
BG
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