rcarlberg: Is there anything sadder than a song that has never been played?
Plasmatopia: Maybe a song in D minor that has never been played?
bob_32_116: That would be a terrific triple bill: Cyan, Magenta and Yello.
trurl: The Odyssey: "He's trying to get home."
There are MIDI to control voltage converters out there that would work with the system. Moog probably has them. Do the Voyagers put out CV?
By default, the Voyager only has CV inputs, save for a couple of CV outs. But there's a breakout box you can add (VX-351) that adds all the various CV outputs plus a mult or two.
There was a mega-edition of the Voyager that had a bigger keyboard, a ribbon, all the breakout boxes built in, and about $2k more on the price...so there's also that
Edit: ah, here we are: http://createdigitalmusic.com/files/..._front_big.jpg
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Hope so.Originally Posted by rcarlberg
The music was hot, but my baby was not.
Synthesizers.com has two modules:
a MIDI interface: http://www.synthesizers.com/q174.html
and, a MIDI aid: http://www.synthesizers.com/q175.html
They also have some cool controllers including a whammy bar and a double whammy bar:
http://www.synthesizers.com/controllers.html
Now I only need to rob a bank and get away with it.
For those without bank robbing skills, I suppose there's always the Arturia software version.
Or you could go Eurorack. And Synthesizers.com has an installment plan, where you can pay 155 bucks a month, and get your synth one module at a time over the course of several months.
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I think the Arturia synth is high on my wishlist.
http://arturia.com/products/hardware...sktop/overview
Just my $0.02...be careful on this one. Arturia had a real slam-dunk win with their virtual instrument selection, but recently I was investigating the Origin and found a fairly sizable # of complains regarding customer service and issues. For the price tag on the Origin, I'd honestly need it to be 100% rock-solid and stable.
I've been eyeing Synthesizers.com for a while, and those systems ARE gorgeous...
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I don't have the money to buy one. At this moment an update for Cubase is more likely for me to get.
Arturia is fantastic but I would stay in the virtual realm- I'm leery of their hardware stuff.
I contacted them about a month ago asking if their new ASC auth tool would do offline activation. I heard back from them saying that the developers were writing the code right then, and to go ahead and buy it and "it should be ready that weekend."
Yeah...not quite ready to be anyone's beta test ;-)
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That kind of stuff is a mess... as someone who frequently changes computers and systems it makes me more comfortable to buy a VST 100% legally that I know there's a crack for because chances are at some point it's going to be easier to keep the stuff I own working by bypassing the company and their customer service. *cough cough* Spectrasonics *cough* That's one thing that flat sucks about software. And god forbid the company goes out of business.
Yeah, I hear you. Been burned a few times on soft synths that lost support along the way. Hardware is pricey and takes a shiat-ton of space, but doesn't need a damned dongle or auth code when I rearrange the studio :P
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That was one reason why I was interested in the Arturia Origin. At least it isn't a soft synth.
But well, my Nord G2 Engine will have to do. It just has one inconvenience. If you want it to sound like a Moog, you have to add all kinds of modules, which take more memory than mine had. Just combining envelope generators, filters, oscilators and a mixer, doesn't do the trick.
Go snag a Werkstatt-01...a real deal Moog for under $400
In truth, your reason above was exactly why I was looking at the Origin instead of the V-Collection. But wow...an impressive box but also damned pricey.
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From what I hear, there's a lot of complaints about the Arturia modular deal, as well. I was reading about some of the issues with it on Muff Wiggler awhile back (I think it was Muff Wiggler that had a thread on it).If I remember correctly, it doesn't save any of the MIDI CC settings to patch memory, and also the numbers that appear on the screen when you're setting the envelope generators don't match up to what's actually being heard (eg if you set the attack time to 20 milliseconds, it actually ends up being more like 60 milliseconds or something like, which probably doesn't sound like a big deal, but to some people I guess it is). In my own use, it seemed to take up a lot of memory, and every once in awhile it started making this loud screaming sound, almost like feedback or something, like if you knocked over a mic stand onstage or something. Very disconcerting.
The Arturia modular is nice, it sounds very good over a relatively cheap pair of headphones (so I'm sure it must sound good coming out of "good" speakers or headphones) but to me, it's just "not the same" as a real modular synth, or even a real pre-patched synth. Yeah, I know, you can buy a MIDI controller with a bunch of knobs and switches on it that can control every parameter, but there's something...missing, hard to put my finger on it, but it just doesn't feel the same as patching with a real synth. And there's at least one musician who I respect (by that, I mean Steve Roach) who has gone on record saying he's not completely happy with softsynths in general.
Having said that, there are a few softysnth programs that I would use if I were a pro musician, things like some of the G-Force programs, or the OP-X (virtual version of the Oberheim OB-X ). You could have something similar to Geoff Downes' keyboard rig from the first couple Asia tours (and more!), all inside your laptop. Mind you, I wouldn't have just that, I'd have a couple hardware synths too.
Wow, that's a side of things I never though about. My worry was always, if something happens to that laptop, if it gets stolen or the hard drive dies, and you don't have backup, you're frelled. I watch musicians who go onstage using nothing but a laptop, or you've got a guitarist who has one of those pedalboards that have the virtual amps and effects all built into one box. They literally plug their guitar into the pedalboard, and the pedalboard goes direct into the soundboard. If something happens to your "magic box", you're dead in the water. I wouldn't want to perform under those circumstances, without a safety net, as it were.
All the concerns of comparisons in quality between VSTs and real hardware are generally true, at least for analog gear- you just have to take into account the huge orders of magnitude in price, and often portability and ease. If your absolute number 1 machine is a modular and you can afford it (i.e., you're in Tangerine Dream), get the Moog. For me, the plug-in works for what little I'd use it. And most synths made after 1980 are nothing but little computers anyway, with their own little D/A converters built in and all the rest, so why pay for the computing power and keybed you already own? I have done gigs without a net but I usually have a full 2nd laptop ready to swap.
The tactile feel of working with a real synth will probably always trump mousing over an interface (maybe touch-screen interfaces will close the gap but I'm still not quite convinced). I have all the various breakouts for my Voyager along with a batch of Foogers in a rack, turning the Voyager into something semi-close to modular. And it is ALWAYS more interesting to start throwing knobs or swapping cables to see what happens.
Still...the ugly reality (at least for me) is that having a modular synth is closer to "fun for experimenting" than for "practical" regular musical use. I can rationalize $99 for the Modular-V, but $8-$35k for the real deal, either from Synths.com or Moog? That's one hell of a toy right there...
Now THIS however...this make my various man parts get all sorts of funny feelings:
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The biggest problem I have with combining computers and synthsizers is with drivers, which are not available for the computer I currently use. The driver for my Akai sampler only works with Windows XP, so I hope my laptop will keep working.
The Arturia Origin has the adventage one is able to use it without a computer.
Funny you mention TD, because as far as I can tell, they only ever used the Moog modular for sequences, and even then, after a couple years, they augmented that with a lot of other stuff, such as the custom built Projekt Electronik gear. Most of what you hear on any given 70's Tangerine Dream recording is mostly stuff other than the big Moog.
But yeah, the price point and the size is such that I probably wouldn't want a big 5U modular (eg Moog or .com). That's why I'm looking into getting a Eurorack set up, because it'll be a bit smaller, and a lot of the individual modules are less expensive than the 5U stuff seems to be. I'm thinking of getting an Intellijel Atlantis "synth voice" module, and between that, a case and power supply, that's a little less than 1200 bucks, and then one can add onto it as money becomes available.
If you're handy this is the way to go- make your own Arp 2600 for about a grand:
http://www.bboytechreport.com/2013/0...clone-diy-kit/
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