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    For me, the greatest (and one of the first if not *the* first) side long Prog epics is
    Mandrill - Amani Na Mapenzi (recorded in the winter of 1970 according to the liner notes)

    but Echoes, Ikon and Tubular Bells all come in close 2nd
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by No Pride View Post
    Gates of Delirium

    Funny, I prefer Genesis to Yes, but I think Yes was better at epics. Genesis must've figured this out themselves;
    "Supper's Ready" was their only real epic... right?
    Define "epic". I would consider an "epic" to be something that puts aside logic like "It can't be longer than 5 minutes" or "Where's the hook" in favor of creating something that can't really be summed up in 3:20.

    Thus I would consider things like Firth Of Fifth, Dancing With The Moonlit Knight, Eleventh Earl Of Mar, One For The Vine, Return Of The Giant Hogweed, The Fountain Of Salmacis, The Musical Box, Domino, Duke's Travels, etc to be "epic" compositions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    "Long Piece no. 3" by Egg
    ooh! that one too!!!
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Anyoen who didn't list De Futura is wrong.

    In my opinion (have to tack that on so that nobody gets offended)


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    Triumvirat's Across The Waters, Illusions On A Double Dimple, and Mister Ten Percent suites.
    "and what music unites, man should not take apart"-Helmut Koellen

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    10 Best Side Long Epics of the 70's

    Yes - Close to the Edge
    Yes - The Gates of Delirium
    Yes - Ritual
    Yes - The Revealing Science of God
    Genesis - Supper's Ready
    Rush - Hemispheres
    VDGG - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers
    Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond
    Jethro Tull - A Passion Play (Side 2)
    Grobschnitt - Rockpommel's Land

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    Quote Originally Posted by arabicadabra View Post
    So... let me get this straight. Karn Evil 9 wouldn't qualify because it "starts" on Side One? THAT'S what this thread is about?
    Yeah, save that one for the "What is the greatest side long-plus epic of the 1970s?" thread.

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    Whipping Post - Allman Brothers

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    Well, even though it's a connected series of jams (like most Focus) I would through Hamburger Concerto into the pot. Taken as a collective of sinde long epics Tales is pretty much the pinnicle. I would pick any single one of them as "the greatest" but averaged out they are a collection of the greatest. Actually my favorite of the bunch is The Remembering.

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    A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - VdGG
    The Adventures of Greggory Peccary - Zappa

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombywoof View Post
    The Adventures of Greggory Peccary - Zappa
    Oh yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    It's an album side on Seconds out.
    I prefer the live versions of "Supper's Ready" to the studio because of the addition of the ARP Prosoloist, which takes the song to the next level IMO. So...

    1. Yes--Close to the Edge
    2. ELP--Tarkus
    3. Genesis--Supper's Ready (Seconds Out version)
    4. Rush--Hemispheres
    5. Yes--The Remembering
    6. Rush--The Fountain of Lamneth

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    I cast another vote for the Peccary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarebird View Post
    It's an album side on Seconds out.
    Oh, then I guess it qualifies.
    (Eats humble pie)

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    What's Humble Pie have to do with prog?

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    "Mumps" has got to be one side, right? But, yeah, "Lighthouse Keepers" for me.
    I want to dynamite your mind with love tonight.

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    The Remembering
    Close to the edge
    Gates of Delerium
    Tarkus

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    I have to admit TARKUS & GATES are hard to beat. But "The Hamburger Concerto" album side has some outstanding passages as one continuous piece of music. The entire album stands out as an amazing work on my list. The song "Birth" hooks me every time.
    Of course, not being of the daily persuasion in this opinion laden public prog bathhouse, my diatribe of recent lucubration is perhaps as welcome as a rats teat. One often is forced to weigh the desire to flash judgment within against the effort required as well as the value this knowledge will be to the greater good of all mankind or whatever inhabits the current spa. At best, its a slippery slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropforge View Post
    Yeah, save that one for the "What is the greatest side long-plus epic of the 1970s?" thread.
    Is it available on CD? A CD has only one playing side..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_32_116 View Post
    Is it available on CD? A CD has only one playing side..
    perhaps Rite Of Spring is the ultimate side long track
    Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?

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    Transformation - The Speed of Love by David Sancious and Tone. 1976
    Waltz for You_Cityscape(Fusion suite) by Barry Miles & Co. from the Skytain album.
    The Ikon - Rundgren, love that one also.

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    CTTE, GAtes, Supper's Ready, Revealing, Hamberger Concerto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soc Prof View Post
    What's Humble Pie have to do with prog?
    Walk On Guilded Splinters


    Jimi - 1983 (A Merman I Should Turn To Be) has enough ideas in it to fill up a side

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    Okay, here's a slightly iffy one: Side Two of Roxy and Elsewhere.

    It isn't titled as a single piece, but to me it works as a sort of symphony in three movements. Granted, none of these are a slow movement - as would almost always be found in the traditional symphonic structure - but it still sounds like a unified piece made of three distinct but connected musical statements, and that's what a symphony amounts to. And from what I understand FZ seemed to see it in those terms, because he usually played the whole thing straight through.

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