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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve F. View Post
    Missing Pieces is also out of print, afaik.
    I think you might be right. Didn't East Side Digital (who issued both Complete and Missing Pieces) go out of business awhile back? If I'm not mistaken, the original three albums have been reissued in a couple formats, but I'm not sure if Misisng Pieces ever has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave (in MA) View Post
    Just saw this.. several other of their releases are available as well..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    I got this one from Steve. The best 8 dollars I've ever spent on a 2 CD set!
    Generic cover and out of sequence track order, but the music is fantastic.

    Missing Pieces will cost a bit more for a used copy.

    Track listing for this? Someone on Amazon has a copy of this for around 6 bucks..

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    I just got finished with a National Health festival last week ending with Playtime. Missing Pieces is awesome. Clocks and Clouds and Zagablione feature Amanda Parson's incredible vocals. She is amazing with her range. You can't understand what she's singing,but still unreal. PLaytime has audio problems some tracks you can only hear Phil Miller's guitar through a bleed over aka barely audible,the energy of the band is intense though. Dave Stewart isn't on this though,just Alan Gowen. Is anyone else surprised that Amanda Parsons never did any more recordings after Bruford-Gradually Going Tornado on the song Land's End? She stands out on the debut more than with The Northettes from Hatfield and The North, or Gilgamesh,which I just learned yesterday that she is singing briefly on their debut album. I love her voice and I could listen to it for hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rand Kelly View Post
    Is anyone else surprised that Amanda Parsons never did any more recordings after Bruford-Gradually Going Tornado on the song Land's End?
    Not actually true. She sang backing vocals on quite a few early Stewart/Gaskin songs. Then she did retire. She had a great voice but was better in the studio than live, where she sang out of tune a lot of time - well, that probably had to do with the insane melody lines she was made to sing.

    It IS too bad that she didn't at least go on to record a solo album.
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    Let me add to the consensus that the album is excellent. It is mostly demos (if I remember right) done before the first record. It sounds a bit more like the Hatfields than anything else they did.


    And yes, the middle section of Clocks and Clouds is among the most beautiful chunks of music ever made

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjohnwayne View Post
    It is mostly demos (if I remember right) done before the first record.
    It's about half BBC sessions (February / September 1976) and half demos (September / October 1975).
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    According to the liner notes all of these tracks were performed live in front of an audience and unreleased until this record came out except for Phlakaton and Walking The Dog Extract. This was a coming together of Hatfield And The North and Gilgamesh and the first gigging lineup was a seven piece with Stewart, Gowen, Miller, Hillage, Campbell, Bruford and Parsons.
    Half of these tracks were written by Mont Campbell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellotron storm View Post
    According to the liner notes all of these tracks were performed live in front of an audience.
    Liner notes don't always tell the whole truth, especially where BBC radio sessions are concerned !
    Are you suggesting these are live performances in public ? Apart from a short bit in "Paracelsus" (the 'fake mistake' bit towards the end) that was edited in from the LSE concert, these are either recorded at the BBC's own studios or in two separate demo sessions, one with a mobile studio and another at Pathway Studios.

    If you mean to say that this *material* was performed in front of an audience, yes most of it was, although not "Croquette...", and "Zabaglione" wasn't performed until it was much re-worked and then only played once (with John Mitchell on drums rather than Bruford), as was "Starlight On Seaweed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Liner notes don't always tell the whole truth, especially where BBC radio sessions are concerned !
    Are you suggesting these are live performances in public ? Apart from a short bit in "Paracelsus" (the 'fake mistake' bit towards the end) that was edited in from the LSE concert, these are either recorded at the BBC's own studios or in two separate demo sessions, one with a mobile studio and another at Pathway Studios.

    If you mean to say that this *material* was performed in front of an audience, yes most of it was, although not "Croquette...", and "Zabaglione" wasn't performed until it was much re-worked and then only played once (with John Mitchell on drums rather than Bruford), as was "Starlight On Seaweed".
    The liner notes were written by Dave Stewart. I quote "All were played in front of bearded and great-coated audiences of the day(and that was just the women), but hitherto none have been officially released. The exceptions are track 9, a popular miniaturist vocal masterpiece by Pip Pyle which first appeared on the "Of Queues And Cures" LP, and track 12 included for hysterical, if not historical reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellotron storm View Post
    The liner notes were written by Dave Stewart. I quote "All were played in front of bearded and great-coated audiences of the day(and that was just the women), but hitherto none have been officially released.
    I think he just means to say that this wasn't music that nobody had ever heard, since it WAS performed live, but since nearly all of that material had been "retired" by the time they got a record deal, it wasn't documented on record.

    But he didn't mean the versions on "Missing Pieces" were live performances, which he knew they weren't. They were technically 'live', but without an audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I think he just means to say that this wasn't music that nobody had ever heard, since it WAS performed live, but since nearly all of that material had been "retired" by the time they got a record deal, it wasn't documented on record.

    But he didn't mean the versions on "Missing Pieces" were live performances, which he knew they weren't. They were technically 'live', but without an audience.
    I agree Calyx and in the liner notes it mentions two pieces that were live recordings in "Walking The Dog" performed live at Squat theater, Long Island, winter 1979 and Phlakaton performed by members of the audience at Toronto's The Edge Club, winter, 1979. The rest are listed as demos or radio sessions except Starlight On Seaweed which is a studio recording by Stewart and Gaskins 1995.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    I was joking. "Never the same way once" is an Earthworks composition, typical of the kind of plays on words he used when titling his pieces.
    I really meant "never the same way twice".
    I thought according to Daevid Allen
    never the same way twice = Laurie Allen
    And BB was the opposite

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    Quote Originally Posted by happytheman View Post
    Track listing for this? Someone on Amazon has a copy of this for around 6 bucks..
    It's the first two albums. But the sequencing is jumbled. Other than that, it sounds great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udi Koomran View Post
    I thought according to Daevid Allen
    never the same way twice = Laurie Allen
    And BB was the opposite
    Exactly, and one of the reasons why I was never much of a fan of the admittedly (technically) proficient BB. The other drummers Daevid worked with through the years - Pip, Moerlen (now THERE'S a genuine monster!), Allen, Cutler - always appeared to sport a versatility and sensitivity of motions that I never heard in BB. AND they were technically adept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Not actually true. She sang backing vocals on quite a few early Stewart/Gaskin songs. Then she did retire. She had a great voice but was better in the studio than live, where she sang out of tune a lot of time - well, that probably had to do with the insane melody lines she was made to sing.
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    And probably less than great monitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udi Koomran View Post
    I thought according to Daevid Allen
    never the same way twice = Laurie Allen
    And BB was the opposite
    Genesis didn't agree. And I would concur. I would think it's obvious in almost all of his work, and it probably had to do with him being a jazzer at heart, that especially with King Crimson, but even in Yes, Bruford was always trying to keep changing his playing - patterns, breaks etc. - within each song, the opposite of what a session drummer would do (i.e. play consistently, the same patterns on verses and chorus respectively etc.).

    I think what Daevid meant that - especially in a 'hired hand' situation where, like Genesis, he had no deep affinity with the music he played - Bruford kept the same basic approach to the material from night to night, where Laurie Allan would sometimes revisit songs in dramatically different / radical ways (like playing really loud on a passage where he'd until then played very quietly).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reid View Post
    It's the first two albums. But the sequencing is jumbled. Other than that, it sounds great!
    I have those two.. Missing Pieces has been on my wishlist for some time now.. at this price.. think I'll give myself an early Christmas present..

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    "Bruford on the other hand was a star. Personable talanted and charismatic were Laurie would take months to learn the set - construct and leave once he could
    The Bruford formula had it mastered in 2 rehearsals after which the only thing that changed was the acoustics in the venue
    Steve and Moonweed enjoyed this immensely using Bruford's clever and dependable repetitions and easy groove to soar to new heights while Blooomdidoo and I strove in vain to seduce them into taking a pataphysical risk or two." Daevid Allen Gong Dreaming 2 book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udi Koomran View Post
    "Bruford on the other hand was a star. Personable talanted and charismatic were Laurie would take months to learn the set - construct and leave once he could
    The Bruford formula had it mastered in 2 rehearsals after which the only thing that changed was the acoustics in the venue
    Steve and Moonweed enjoyed this immensely using Bruford's clever and dependable repetitions and easy groove to soar to new heights while Blooomdidoo and I strove in vain to seduce them into taking a pataphysical risk or two." Daevid Allen Gong Dreaming 2 book
    I noticed right away the missing "Bruford Rim Shot Snare Drum" on Missing Pieces. He NEVER does it once. In Yes and King Crimson you hear it on every hit of the snare drum pretty much. Maybe NH were not all that enamored with that sound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calyx View Post
    Not actually true. She sang backing vocals on quite a few early Stewart/Gaskin songs. Then she did retire. She had a great voice but was better in the studio than live, where she sang out of tune a lot of time - well, that probably had to do with the insane melody lines she was made to sing.

    It IS too bad that she didn't at least go on to record a solo album.
    Yeah! That's really what I meant Calyx, why no solo album with such an incredible voice? Of The Northettes, what ever became of Ann Rosenthal as well?

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    My favorite NH. Period. Some amazing pieces on that release.

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