Brian Eno was doing this in the 70's - hence his self proclaimed 'non-musician' status.
Brian Eno was doing this in the 70's - hence his self proclaimed 'non-musician' status.
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[So, they're great composers, not great musicians. ]
Or they are producers. Producers usually need to have some background about the music and at least basic understanding but they don't have to be great musicians.
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No, he was definitely referring to Gösta, and most specifically only them.
"For Chrissakes, can't Gösta get their ass moving off those damn formulaic structures and start getting into some angulary stuff like PoiL??!"
- Dave Gilmour
"What's P-PoiL? D-d-does it have anything to do with InsideOut or K-Scope? Dave?! Is it something we know from before? P-please...?! Is it like... Like It Bites?"
- Prog Mag
"Improvisation is not an excuse for musical laziness" - Fred Frith
"[...] things that we never dreamed of doing in Crimson or in any band that I've been in," - Tony Levin speaking of SGM
At some level this is just semantics. I had always understood a musician to be anybody involved in the writing, singing or playing music. If composing alone is to be definitionally removed from the process, then I can't really argue. But since it's now so easy to use music-making software to compose (even classical composers can do it, with nothing more than a music theory background) then I'd say that the distinction is no longer relevant. A composer of a piano piece is not a pianist, but is he a musician? I do think so.
It's definitely semantics, but based on that, I disagree with you, Facelift.
Music isn't about chops, or even about talent - it's about sound and the way that sound communicates to people. Mike Keneally
Why is it whenever someone mentions an artist that was clearly progressive (yet not the Symph weenie definition of Prog) do certain people feel compelled to snort "thats not Prog" like a whiny 5th grader?
In order to be a musician you have to be able to competently play your instrument on stage. You don't have to be great but you at least have to know what you are doing and be able to play it. Look at the Ramones. They weren't great musicians and probably only knew a handful of chords but they could still get up on stage and play therefore they were musicians.
Do not suffer through the game of chance that plays....always doors to lock away your dreams (To Be Over)
Sorry, but I listened to three YouTube clips and they're just the same ol' same ol' to these admittedly tired, jaded ears. I mean, the bass player uses a Rickenbacker and on their website, they boast about using Moogs and Mellotrons, how much more formulaic can you get? Good > excellent players are a penny a hundred, music schools like Guitar Institute and college/university music programs churn them out constantly, I just don't hear anything that hadn't been done to death by ca. 1990 there. Maybe they do it well, but still.there's a great, relatively new band who are making some excellent music that is NOT formulaic. They are called Gosta Berlings Saga...
PoiL are much more "progressive" and "out there", they might be worth checking out a bit more.
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Remember a day...
...when I could figure out WTF people on this site were talking about.
At least Mr. Gilmour speaks English.
We're trying to build a monument to show that we were here
It won't be visible through the air
And there won't be any shade to cool the monument to prove that we were here. - Gene Parsons, 1973
Well, he obviouly wasreferring to pop music you refer to.... but one should avoid broadbrushing , especially when speaking to a mag that takes prog as its centre of interest...
But in a way, even chamber prog has become formulaic with the years... those stuck in complex music niche like fusion or RIO also become formulaic, because they repeat endlessly what they do....
The only band that managed not being formulaic was Pink Floyd, where each new album sounded totally different different from what they'd done before, yet sounded typically Floydesque.... At every new album, the band reinvented itself almost thouroughly.... But that stopped being the case, once Waters was kicked out by an imbecile judge
And please don't come say that TFC sounded like The Wall, because it's really not the case. Yeah, Waters was almost exclusively at the helm of both albums (and TFC being much less inspired), but the latter album only features organ and piano for KBs... where The Wall had almost all synthethisers, and no organ. So, yeah the overall sound of TFC might be reminiscent of some parts of the Wall, just like Run Like Hell always made me think of Animals. But it's really hard to mistake on which Waters-era Floyd album yone is
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicts to complete nutcases.
I would not say so. To these ears Floyd's music got formulaic with "Wish You Were Here" and all subsequent albums followed more or less the established patterns. Out of big bands Yes were far more adventurous and much less formulaic in the second half of the 70s and early 80s.
However, sticking to a formula or not does not tell anything about the (perceived) music quality. Later Pink Floyd albums stood better the test of time because they were great songwriters, who even when operating with more restricted music vocabulary could produce better results song-wise. And like it or not, good songs are what makes rock music attractive to the vast majority of its audience.
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I'd argue that even if you do play an instrument you are not necessarily a musician YET but merely a "player".
The act of just playing one does not make you one.
Being a musician requires developing empathy for the people you play with for starters and applying what you have in a musical context. A certain level of competence has to be reached too.
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