Relayer - Yes and Moraz?

**r2daft2** · 10-30-2014

In an interview in the latest Prog mag, Patrick Moraz says something along the lines that Yes have only got to ask and he'd be there to play.
Yes have now played four albums in full on recent tours - what chance is there that Relayer could be the 5th?
If PM is invited along then surely it becomes more viable, they could tour with two keyboard players - or maybe Downes might like an opportunity to take some time off to dedicate to Asia?
How many copies of the new Relayer 5.1 disc do we have to buy to make the band take note and consider making this happen?

**bigbassdrum** · 10-30-2014

I hate to say it, but I don't think Alan White is up to it

**Scott Bails** · 10-30-2014

They've talked about doing at least "Sound Chaser," if not the whole album, though I really doubt that they could pull it off.

**cavgator** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by Scott Bails

They've talked about doing at least "Sound Chaser," if not the whole album, though I really doubt that they could pull it off.

For real! Sound Chaser is my favorite track on the album, but it is brutally strenuous, especially on drums and guitar. While I am not a big fan of Relayer, I could listen to Alan wail on Sound Chaser (and Ann of Cleves on Six Wives of Henry VII) all day long. Asking him to do that every night on tour may be a tall order. Ditto for Steve.

As for Patrick, I do not know why, but he seems to be something of an enigma to me. Most of us can figure out the personalities and motivations of Emerson, Wakeman, Downes, Jobson, and other keyboardists, Moraz escapes me. Too needy? An opportunist? Or simply someone who marches to the beat of a different drummer? Astonishingly talented, versatile, creative...but somehow different. Is it because he is Swiss, rather than British? It certainly does make him intersting.

**trurl** · 10-30-2014

Sound Shambler.

**Score2112** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by bigbassdrum

I hate to say it, but I don't think Alan White is up to it

Agree completely.

**Garden Dreamer** · 10-30-2014

Another case of "gee, why didn't they think of this 20 years ago?" Too late now, I don't want to hear them butcher the album.

**Paulrus** · 10-30-2014

I still think they'd be up to playing "To Be Over", but I seriously doubt they'd set Downes aside unless he asked for it. He's seen as a team player and low-maintenance in the keyboard department, qualities Squire especially prizes highly. Besides, you just get the feeling there were no tears shed when Moraz was shown the door in '76... for whatever reason.

**WytchCrypt** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by Paulrus

I still think they'd be up to playing "To Be Over", but I seriously doubt they'd set Downes aside unless he asked for it. He's seen as a team player and low-maintenance in the keyboard department, qualities Squire especially prizes highly. Besides, you just get the feeling there were no tears shed when Moraz was shown the door in '76... for whatever reason.

I always wondered why Moraz wasn't part of the Union tour. Was it because he wasn't invited or did he turn them down and why?

**cavgator** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by WytchCrypt

I always wondered why Moraz wasn't part of the Union tour. Was it because he wasn't invited or did he turn them down and why?

I wonder if Squire considered him little more than an employee - even if he wasn't?

**trurl** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by WytchCrypt

I always wondered why Moraz wasn't part of the Union tour. Was it because he wasn't invited or did he turn them down and why?

Because the "Union" wasn't a reunion, it was about combining the then-current factions together in a saleable product. Hence, no Banks either.

**No Pride** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by Garden Dreamer

Another case of "gee, why didn't they think of this 20 years ago?" Too late now, I don't want to hear them butcher the album.

**Scott Bails** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by trurl

Because the "Union" wasn't a reunion, it was about combining the then-current factions together in a saleable product. Hence, no Banks either.

Exactly.

**BrianG** · 10-30-2014

Moraz fit the bill in July 1975 when I saw him in concert with Yes. They opened with Sound Chaser (which Moraz co-wrote). He was so strong on the keys but did not take the spotlight except during his solo on "Long Distance Runaround". And to a much younger me, it was impossible to tell it wasn't Wakeman when they did songs from the other albums.

**WytchCrypt** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by cavgator

I wonder if Squire considered him little more than an employee - even if he wasn't?

Ya, I thought I read Moraz had to sue the Yes management company to get paid and that a big part of his lawsuit rested upon whether he was an employee or an equal partner band member.

**LeFrog** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by WytchCrypt

Ya, I thought I read Moraz had to sue the Yes management company to get paid and that a big part of his lawsuit rested upon whether he was an employee or an equal partner band member.

I think this refers to his lawsuit against the Moody Blues, not Yes.

**happytheman** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by LeFrog

I think this refers to his lawsuit against the Moody Blues, not Yes.

This has been discussed before.. hunt for the thread... but Patrick got ripped off by Yes management... the two tours he did with them saw very little $'s in his pocket.. may even be able to pull up Moraz interview from NFTE past issues.. If I were Moraz I'd stay clear of Yes at this point.. he left his mark.. Relayer and the subsequent tours are very high water marks in Yes' history..

**GuitarGeek** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by Paulrus

I still think they'd be up to playing "To Be Over",.

That's the one song that would make me want to see them again, though paradoxically, since I prefer to avoid setlist spoilers, how would I know they were playing it, without "spoiling the surprise"? Anyhow, that's still my favorite Yes song, and it's the one song I would want to hear them play the most. I think up until Fly From Here came out, I had seen them do at least one song from every album except Talk and Union (and ABWH, if you want to count that, though I think Rick and Jon did one of the songs from ABWH when I saw them in 2002). I've seen them do all the songs from Close To The Edge, and Going For The One. With exception of two tracks, I've seen them do all of Fragile, and except for one, I've seen them do all of The Yes Album. I've seen them do over half of Tales From Topographic Oceans, and half of Relayer.

There's no place for them to go with the old catalog, as far as I'm concerned, in terms of "What are we going to play on the next tour" except To Be Over, and judging from the comments I keep hearing about the last two albums (which I still haven't heard), I'm not too anxious to hear them new material.

**Scott Bails** · 10-30-2014

I have no desire to see them do an "albums" tour again. I'd prefer a setlist that draws from more of their catalog, and play some things that haven't been in the setlist for years.

**Scrotum Scissor** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by trurl

Sound Shambler.

Oh, but McGuire and the guys are going to do covers of The Science Group now.

**zeprogmeister** · 10-30-2014

Originally Posted by bigbassdrum

I hate to say it, but I don't think Alan White is up to it

I would also sadly have to agree to this. I saw them on their recent tour and he definitely seemed to be the weak link. Was not driving the beat at all and looked lost at times.