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    They opened for Strawbs in 76 :The Deep Cuts Tour..saw the Calderone show...don't recall much of Ambrosia aside from the drummer

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeprogmeister View Post
    Great find! I saw them a few years ago, but it is great to see the original lineup in action.
    I doubt that you saw the original line-up. As far as I know David Pack has not performed live with them since 1999. I saw that 1999 show with Pack in VA, just absolutely awesome.

    I still find it incredible that people post on this website that they confuse Ambrosia with Air Supply. David Pack was an incredible vocalist and guitar player. However his influence in their music is songs like "How Much I Feel" and "Biggest Part of Me" which were hit singles. But even on those albums which had those songs, Ambrosia cranked out some pretty good progressive rock, getting towards hard rock on 180. Their last performance at ROSfest was awesome, and much more towards their proggy side. Alan Parsons was totally involved in engineering and production of the first two albums, which were done just after he engineered Pink Floyd's DSOTM. Pretty much all of Ambrosia worked with Alan on the first of the Alan Parson Project Albums, Tales of Mystery and Imagination. David Pack was a vocalist on APP's "Try Anything Once".

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    [QUOTE=Firth;330673]I doubt that you saw the original line-up.

    He didn't say he saw the original lineup.

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    Can anyone identify the 12-string electric guitar that Pack is playing and dancing with? Very cool tone.
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    I think the 12 string is a Baldwin with Trisonic pickups (same pickups as Brian May's Red Special). Very similar to Burns guitars, I think.

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    That was a Baldwin electric 12 string with Burns pickups. It wound up at a music store where I worked (Valley Arts in Studio City, CA) the late 80's as part of a bunch of used gear sold to the store when a cartage company went out of business. I opened up the case and the tag inside said "Ambrosia" so being a huge fan, I recognized it instantly bought it for $300. A couple years after the store closed, I ran into David Pack who was a customer and mentioned I'd bought the guitar. He was shocked and said it'd disappeared during a long dispute with that cartage company while Ambrosia was in legal limbo (another long story) and he figured it was gone for good so I sold it back to him for what I paid. It was a cool guitar and I wish I still had it. I did use it for a few recordings while I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brainforest View Post
    That was a Baldwin electric 12 string with Burns pickups. It wound up at a music store where I worked (Valley Arts in Studio City, CA) the late 80's as part of a bunch of used gear sold to the store when a cartage company went out of business. I opened up the case and the tag inside said "Ambrosia" so being a huge fan, I recognized it instantly bought it for $300. A couple years after the store closed, I ran into David Pack who was a customer and mentioned I'd bought the guitar. He was shocked and said it'd disappeared during a long dispute with that cartage company while Ambrosia was in legal limbo (another long story) and he figured it was gone for good so I sold it back to him for what I paid. It was a cool guitar and I wish I still had it. I did use it for a few recordings while I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brainforest View Post
    That was a Baldwin electric 12 string with Burns pickups. It wound up at a music store where I worked (Valley Arts in Studio City, CA) the late 80's as part of a bunch of used gear sold to the store when a cartage company went out of business. I opened up the case and the tag inside said "Ambrosia" so being a huge fan, I recognized it instantly bought it for $300. A couple years after the store closed, I ran into David Pack who was a customer and mentioned I'd bought the guitar. He was shocked and said it'd disappeared during a long dispute with that cartage company while Ambrosia was in legal limbo (another long story) and he figured it was gone for good so I sold it back to him for what I paid. It was a cool guitar and I wish I still had it. I did use it for a few recordings while I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jubal View Post
    I think he's referring to the way they look. Ambrosia did have one Air Supply sound-alike song in their big hit "How Much I Feel".
    Personally I would not regard "How Much I Feel" as anything like Air Supply (other than the fact that it is essentially a pop ballad ... of which there were many, by many different bands in that era). To my ears, "How Much" had an R&B flavor to it that set it comfortably apart from anything I've ever heard by AS. One thing I've always appreciated about Ambrosia is that they were thoroughly "prog" in their sound and arrangements, but they were not afraid to step into the "mainstream" from time to time with material that managed to chart, most of which still holds up well today. YMMV.

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    I think the fact that one guy in each band had a fro is why they get lumped together. :P

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    I actually thought of Air Supply when I first heard that latest Yes album (I say "latest" because I fear there'll be more records from them). And there were no afros involved at all, AFAIK.

    The first two Ambrosia albums are both great and highly eclectic takes on perfectionist yet experimental pop/rock, melodic but still strangely challenging and adventurous, and featuring some of the most ambitious arrangements attempted by a US band in the mid-70s. And they were definitely "progressive" - with and/or without the damn quotation marks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kayfabe58 View Post
    They opened for Strawbs in 76 :The Deep Cuts Tour..saw the Calderone show...don't recall much of Ambrosia aside from the drummer
    Yeppers! I saw that show in New Jersey. Ambrosia did a good job but the crowd wasn't very simpatico. (Strawbs played a fine set too!)

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    I'm not the only one who pronounces it Am-bro-zee-uh, am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I'm not the only one who pronounces it Am-bro-zee-uh, am I?
    That is somewhere I've never traveled before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    I actually thought of Air Supply when I first heard that latest Yes album.
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    Oh - that's funny!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrotum Scissor View Post
    I actually thought of Air Supply when I first heard that latest Yes album (I say "latest" because I fear there'll be more records from them). And there were no afros involved at all, AFAIK.

    The first two Ambrosia albums are both great and highly eclectic takes on perfectionist yet experimental pop/rock, melodic but still strangely challenging and adventurous, and featuring some of the most ambitious arrangements attempted by a US band in the mid-70s. And they were definitely "progressive" - with and/or without the damn quotation marks.
    Oh I see, you don't consider them prog Seriously, they were prog and pop rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I'm not the only one who pronounces it Am-bro-zee-uh, am I?
    And you pronounce nuclear, as nu cle year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    And you pronounce nuclear, as nu cle year.
    I don't pronounce it as nu kya ler, that's for sure!

    But I was joking, I actually pronounce it the regular way, I just thought Am bro zia would be funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrplayer View Post
    Ambrosia is the one that had Kurt Vonnegut for a lyricist.
    Nice, nice, very nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianG View Post
    Oh - that's funny!!
    Well good for you, sir. I personally can't see the slightest amusement in Air Supply, but what the heck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    Oh I see, you don't consider them prog. Seriously, they were prog and pop rock.
    I don't consider anything "prog", seeing how there isn't even a definition at hand that people can agree on. So what the hell else is new? By some folks' standard today, 90% of 70s progressive rock music couldn't possibly have been "prog" in the first place as it didn't comply with the grand outline laid by the retroactive efforts of Roine, Neal, Portnoy, Yanni and Jon Bon.
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    I was trying to offer a compliment, but then this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianG View Post
    I was trying to offer a compliment, but then this.
    Well oh well, sorry about that - but I seriously couldn't find much funny about that Yes record. The third song there sounded uncannily like a Modern Talking wannabe-hit single (including the lovely vox and that farty-bubbly synth line), albeit a little less intriguing than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKL2000 View Post
    I'm not the only one who pronounces it Am-bro-zee-uh, am I?
    That's funny!

    Gordon Parry, who helped discover Ambrosia and who was one of the top recording engineers for
    Decca Records and who can be heard reciting the Jabberwocky on Ambrosia's song "Mama Frog".
    Said in introducing Ambrosia at an early concert "We at Decca have the distinction of having turned down The Beatles as an audition, but we have The Rolling Stones, The Moody Blues, The Ten Years After, and we hope we're going to have The Am-bro-zee-uh."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firth View Post
    I still find it incredible that people post on this website that they confuse Ambrosia with Air Supply. David Pack was an incredible vocalist and guitar player. However his influence in their music is songs like "How Much I Feel" and "Biggest Part of Me" which were hit singles. But even on those albums which had those songs, Ambrosia cranked out some pretty good progressive rock, getting towards hard rock on 180.
    They got even closer to hard rock with Road Island, which was a lot less commercial than their previous two efforts (probably why it tanked so bad). They even get close to new wave on “Kid No More.” Incidentally, it’s a really good album, their most underrated disc, and it ought to be better-known.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adinfinitum View Post
    I think the 12 string is a Baldwin with Trisonic pickups (same pickups as Brian May's Red Special). Very similar to Burns guitars, I think.
    Baldwin the piano company? I had no idea they made guitars!
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