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Incredible band. Any prog fan should check out the show with Mike Patton/Fantomas incl. King Buzzo (Melvins) and Terry Bozzio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubauFpvtBeA

Katy's wrote a few cool songs. And sells TONS of tickets. She could be doing a whole lot worse stuff than making people happy........

Really?? Even though Taylor Swift, Rihanna, Fall Out Boy, Drake, Imagine Dragons, Hozier, Mark Ronson and countless others etc have huge sales ?? These are CDs as well as digital music.

Tons of...

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You're totally correct, Tobias. Bandcamp etc means the artist is in control now. that's what I've been trying to say from day one --the record deals going back decades were HORRIFIC, we...

Incredible album...one of so many gems by Bill. He's on his own island....

New Slaves...great tune on the great recent Kanye album

Lambert, Hendricks & Ross !!!!

Nice one!!

Pretty Much ditto, Lieto. Not sure if he's my fave musical human ever, but way up on that list. Agreed....it's all so amazing. It all just makes sense in his big, crazy picture. And there are SO MANY...

Thanks Reid...not singling you out by any means. But SOMEONE uploaded it, (maybe even Mike's team) and other people illegally upload stuff every day. So my point stands. Mike and his team are fine...

Good stuff. The first tune on the album remind me a bit of Saga's "No Regrets" mashed up with that tune "Life In A Northern Town" by Dream Academy. Same gorgeous dreamy vocals.

Totally Agreed! That box set is simply a sonic bible, IMHO. for my tastes

Everything is perfectly placed, with just a bit of tape noise to make it breathe. Fantastic. They were my Beatles in a...

Um, no, there's nothing like the sprechstimme stuff on Thingfish. With all due respect -You say right in your post you've not heard it....so why postulate that??

I dig pretty much the whole...

It sounds great!! And , I can't resist, with an illegal YouTube post here, I suggest -- At least go listen to the legal stream at Spotify. Sample it there then order it.

AT LEAST Mike will get...

Great points...and I wish more people would embrace and accept the fact that we can;t have it both ways...where it's incredibly cheap, almost to a vanishing point, to make music and record excellent...

While I feel ya, and understand the frustration even....with no ill will at all, just wry humor, may I say....this may be the ultimate FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS thread of all time....

Lol. Make sure you look at pictures of the cabins. It can be real tight quarters, the bathroom in some cabins is spaceship-tiny....

But yeah -- you will be watching music and (possibly/optionally)...

Thanks Tobias. I stand corrected. A rough date, in any case. Just making the point that far before the debate about it reached fever pitch, Todd had sussed out where we were, AGAIN, which he has done...

Meanwhile, thanks Rand Kelly for posting KING...what a great great song. I just noticed the KING'S X cd (eponymous, but about their 4th album) and now it' s spinning happily in the car. What a great...

Agreed, IMHO those epic, classic, timeless Bruford records!! Often in rotation thru the past 30 yrs for me. So many highlights, I love Peacock's vocals (I dig her own albums, great voice!), the album...

..and yes, it IS a product today. We are talking about the commerce of PRODUCTS, physical items on plastic. We like to puff our chests out and remind everyone what we do is art -- "just like DaVinci,...

Well yeah. What do I know, at the end of the day. People can do what they want... again my intent here was to parse out why all the Spotify-directed anger....when YouTube is used here daily with not...

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And agree with Squ1ggle, this summarizes a lot of what people refuse to swallow as reality

The fact is -- the WHOLE BUBBLE of that Imaginary Pie In The Sky era...was predicated on...

Agreed. I would only add:

3. It's 2013, and we can only listen to so many more albums that slavishly revisit the great ideas and synth patches of Tull, Gentle Giant, Rush, Genesis, Peter Gabriel,...

The refuge of those with nothing useful to say is of course, name-calling.

Let's see, I've written hundreds of words and a number of posts in this thread, and in one post I capitalize slightly to...

Actually, NO my question was and is about "why so much animus for spotify but Youtube is OK"




I've debunked this a number of times , but ANYONE who bought a CD or vinyl LP in the 70s or...

Thanks Squ1ggle, for your thoughts. Didn't need to slag me at the end with the "free-riding" comment tho. I'm trying to keep this civil, but, Oh well. The fact is -- as I've made clear countless...

Yes, Sherry, with all due respect, maybe go check out Spotify (free software at their site) or even just read a FAQ.

-Downloading From Spotify ? the music is not providing for downloading...

All true, Gruno. I would totally agree with the points you've made. Although -- if "being heard" is the payout and prestige, then artist have it IN SPADES today. So why the complaints?

One reason...

Thanks Poisoned Youth

As the OP, this is basically the essence of my point, and my question.

It's been very interesting reading countless persons dance around the easy, basic question (which...

...or , make a playlist on Spotify, where Floyd just a cpl months ago agreed to have their music stream for free, legally . All the albums are there and sound great , pretty much all the remastered...

Well I should also point out that Anil is a dear and close friend. I've learned a ton from his detailed work on this subject.

So-- a woman in Tibet, or Brasil who has played and taught music in a village all their lives....or a Malian or rural Irish or Welsh musician who plays daily, or some guy in Turkey or Trinidad -- who...

Well put -- and it's the painful, painful truth that will always be hard to swallow, by lumberjacks, Smith Corona, a guy who just bought a Beeper store in 1996, or musicians who don't accept that 99%...

Ok fine. So, I asked -- what do you like, Les Paul Or Strat, and you chose to answer, "Mandolin"

fair enough, iTunes etc etc . I use it to, and have had albums on there I've played on, as well as...

So - -help me out here, with the definitions -- I'm 48. I recorded a lot of cool songs off the radio, was I stealing??

To me -- all this sounds like a weaker version of the "Home Taping is Killing...

So I'm listening to the recent RUSH album "Clockwork Angels" right now on Spotify (subscriber, 320kbps stream)

I bought the singles on iTunes years ago.
I bought the CD, new/full price when it...

stunned into silence.

I'm thoroughly biased, but I thought it was a great show. I could have stood hear quite a bit more keys...but hearing them well on the video clips..I have to conclude sitting DIRECTLY in the firing...

When they toured, I guess for the first album - I saw the NJ show at a college.... I forget which one. Fairleigh Dickinson?? Ramapo? Seton Hall..?

Great show... just was really radical at that...

Wow. this is truly impossible.

I DIDN'T SAY ZAPPA WAS ALONE IN THIS..so no need to be "afraid".


Wow dude. You just really NEED that to have been what I said, so you can keep knocking it...

Yes, In a major way it's about the proverbial genie, also about the fakeness of the music/record industry that some people pretend is some golden period that got taken away from them because no one...

..well, I said nothing about "genre crossing" but there you go quoting me, in quotes, with that.

I referred to "musical questions being asked", using that phrase in fact, b/c we were talking abt...

thanks for the clarification on that..but no..clearly (?) I'm talking about the HUNDREDS of YouTube links that are the coin of the realm here...

Which I'm TOTALLY fine with... I'm just interested...

Interesting. So PART of the album is OK..??

Is "all but one tune" OK..??


I don't get that . Either it's wrong to post copyright recorded material... or it's not.

YouTube doesn't pay one...

I said "With exceptions for GG, Tull, Crimson and a few others."

So yeah, fill in there. I didn't say the list ended with the three I listed.

I'm not sure, I can't say with certainty, but that...

But Zappa is so, so far beyond a mere "prog" label. He encompasses a myriad of styles, and one could easily construct a four CD set with NOTHING "prog" on it, that in a blind fold test, 1/2 the...

Agreed on Terje Rypdal..... love him

Good to see people using YouTube to recommend and explore new music.

Funny - after all the Spotify debates and angry calls for boycott, it's good to see...

I hope he uses it a ton, and maybe in some song lyrics

B/c he's always used whatever words get his message across, and I for one appreciate that that's part of his unique skill

How is it...

OK. You're correct.

Apparently, Yes you are the only one.

Any festival...requires everyone to shorten their sets...or they would all be painfully long with full sets and changeover times.

Hey Luis!!

I dig the tune as well....a bit of a nod to "pretty Hate machine" sounds... altho he has revisited that a bit in the past few years. Rockin' tune, will be fun live

And that is the...

Ooops...of course I mean "Bosnian Rainbows". But this group is a blast to watch/hear as well....

Huge charter-fan of Mars Volta here, saw them several times including the first couple tours. LOVE that band....hope one day it happens again.

However also a big fan of ORL's solo works......and...

Article re: Belew comments on his exit from NIN touring band...

http://www.guitarworld.com/guitarist-adrian-belew-quits-nine-inch-nails-it-didnt-work

Article on Belew Statements re:NIN and his new album

http://www.guitarworld.com/guitarist-adrian-belew-quits-nine-inch-nails-it-didnt-work

I know. It was a "Mac vs PC wars" joke.

But Seriously, as Todd is always kinda 6-10 yrs ahead of the curve, he might have been thinking more & more people, especially music heads apt to play...

Waaaaaaaaahh!!!! first world problems.

How is that a "problem"?

I spoke with Dave recently.

Morse will be with LaRue/Romaine

There is also some work being done on the Flying Colors follow-up.

Of course Steve is also real busy with there being a new Deep...

Daniel is Adrian's current tech/computer guy and recording engineer.

So when he says "solo" he means Daniel is there facilitating all the rest as AB performs and writes etc.......

and @trurl,...